To view the missing poster for the two girls, click here.

To view a map of where the girls were last seen, click here.

For live updates in the case, click here.

 

EVANSDALE, Iowa --- As the search for Elizabeth Collins, 8, and her cousin Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, enters its sixth day, law enforcement agencies continue to leave no stone unturned while seeking out clues to the girls' disappearance last Friday.

Several sources have confirmed that law enforcement officials have called for all residential and commercial trash in the city of Evansdale to be set aside in the Black Hawk County landfill to be searched through by those involved in the ongoing investigation.

Brett Vette, administrator of the Black Hawk County Solid Waste Management Commission, confirmed that law enforcement were searching through garbage dumped at the county landfill Monday. However, no such activity was reported on Tuesday.

Debbie Acklin of Black Hawk Waste Disposal has also confirmed such proceedings are taking place.

"I can confirm that all Evansdale trash is being segregated in the Black Hawk County Landfill for law enforcement to search if they so choose," Acklin said.

Acklin went on to say that no members of the search movement have searched through the trash on Wednesday.

More information on the Wednesday's search proceedings will be made available during today's press conference at 4 p.m.

 

Family members trying to remain positive


4 p.m. Tuesday - EVANSDALE, Iowa --- Family members of the two missing girls in Evansdale continue to “try and stay positive” as the search presses on for Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10.

Still, moral remains high for authorities investigating their disappearance despite few, if any, developments.

Misty Morrissey, mother of Lyric, says as the days go by, things only gets harder.

“Right now we are pretty emotional, pretty sad,” Morrissey said Tuesday afternoon. “But we believe that God is going to bring a resolution to this.”

The girls’ bicycles and a purse were found on a trail behind Meyers Lake on Friday, and on Tuesday residents streamed into the adjacent park to watch as the water receded as part of a drawdown that is part of search operations.

City crews, who started draining the lake on Monday, removed docks on Tuesday, carrying them past brick retaining walls topped with the remains of candles, teddy bears and roses from earlier vigils.

Accompanied by an occasional duck, two firefighters in kayaks floated back and forth on the shrinking late, checking out anything that drew suspicion.

Crews added a pump to step up the drainage, and Capt. Rick Abben with the Black Hawk County Sheriff’s Office said he wasn’t sure how long it would be until the lake is empty.

Law enforcement taped off much of Meyers Lake early Tuesday afternoon, reasons for which are unclear.

Meanwhile, back on land, Daniel Morrissey, Lyric’s father, said his daughter is a fair swimmer and doubts the possibility of a drowning.

“I don’t think that they are in the lake, not at all, it’s a dead end as far as we know,” Daniel Morrissey said.

Investigators suspect as much, but the only way to be 100 percent sure the girls aren’t in the water is to drain it, Abben said.

“We have their bicycles, and we have a purse. That’s all that we have, and that doesn’t tell me that they’ve been there, just that those items were there,” Abben said.

Family members still have no guesses as to the true whereabouts of the girls.

“We have no theories,” Misty Morrissey said. “Trying to remain positive, we have no idea. We are pretty confident that they aren’t around here.”

Despite any frustration the family feels towards the search, Misty Morrissey said they are aware and appreciate all the efforts put forth by the law enforcement in the search to find their daughter and niece.

“They are the professionals, they know what they are doing, they’ve got their processes, they have experience, so we trust that they are doing anything they can,” she said.

Abben said morale is good for the officers from the several agencies investigating the disappearance.

“Right now we will have them here as long as we need them. We are still working this as a 24-7 operation,” Abben said. “Nothing has been said that, if the lake is dry, that we are going home by any means, because we are not going to do that.”

He said investigators continue to receive leads from the public but was tight-lipped about any developments.

Tips have come in that led police to areas outside of Evansdale.

“We have people who think they may have seen someone, and those tips are being followed up on,” Abben said, but he declined to be specific or talk about any results.

“Every tip is being followed up on,” said Abben, who encouraged anyone with information to call the tip hotline 319-232-6682.

He also declined to talk about the results of any tracking dogs that have been used during the search or what investigators have been able to tell from the girls’ abandoned bicycles.

“They have been processed,” Abben said. As for the results of any fingerprinting, Abben said he would just “leave it at that.”

Abben said family members have been talking with investigators and cooperating with authorities.

  

Meyers Lake search expanding


Ted Gamerdinger, right, talks with off-duty Cedar Rapids police officers helping in the search for Lyric Cook-Morrissey and Elizabeth Collins on the bike trail around Meyers Lake in Evansdale Monday, July 16, 2012. (BRANDON POLLOCK / Courier Staff Photographer)

11 a.m. Tuesday - EVANSDALE, Iowa --- Authorities taped off a larger section around the shoreline of Meyers Lake this morning, stepping up search efforts in the area around the lake for any sign of the two girls who disappeared Friday afternoon in Evansdale.

Earlier authorities had only marked off sections of the biking and hiking trail around the lake, where bicycles belonging to Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, and a purse were discovered Friday. The two girls haven’t been spotted since then, leading to massive search efforts through the weekend and into this week.

The lake level had dropped several feet this morning, after authorities decided Monday to drain the lake, apparently to aid in a shoreline search. Officers on the scene would not comment about their activities, but it appeared they were planning a more intensive search in areas now uncovered by the dropping water.

Members of Cook-Morrissey’s family are at the lake at Tuesday, appearing on national network news programs to talk about the search. Tammy Brousseau, the aunt of both girls, said the family is not expecting the draining of the lake to reveal any new information.

Family members said they agree with Evansdale firefighters that dragging operations should have uncovered any evidence of the girls in the lake, but said they do support the draining decision to support their assumptions.

The next news briefing for the media is set for Tuesday at 4 p.m.

 

Missing children spokesman remains hopeful in hunt for missing girls


Misty Morrissey, left, and Dan Morrissey given press interviews Tuesday, July 17, 2012, about their daughter Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, who has been missing since Friday, July 13, 2012. (MATTHEW PUTNEY / Courier Photo Editor)

11:30 a.m. Tuesday - EVANSDALE, Iowa --- A volunteer with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said Tuesday the agency boasts a 98 percent to 99 percent recovery rate for missing children --- alive or dead.

Pat Farrell, who's been with the national nonprofit agency since 1998, has been helping local law enforcement find two girls that went missing in Evansdale last Friday. He's not giving up hope Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10 of Waterloo and her 8-year-old cousin Elizabeth Collins will found alive.

The girls were last seen riding bikes near downtown Evansale by their grandmother at 12:15 p.m. Friday. There bikes were recovered on the southeast corner of Meyers Lake about four hours later. Extensive searches for the girls since have turned up nothing, officials said.

"For any missing person, the longer it (the search) goes, the more gloomy it gets," said Farrell, the retired chief of police in Rochester, Minn. "The chances of recovery diminishes, but doesn't disappear."

The center is based in Alexandria, Va.

Star 1 Search and Rescue, a nonprofit based in Story County, is also aiding in the seach. Jim Peters, a volunteer representing the group in Evansdale, said the group typically has a "better than 50 percent" rate of finding missing people alive or otherwise.

Speculating about the chances for recovery here is unwise, he said, but he's optimistic. A missing 8-year-old in Virginia was recently found by searchers after five nights.

A successful "recovery does happen. ... Conditions are hot but no cold enough at night to injure someone," Peters said.

Officials said the search continues today for Elizabeth and Lyric. Meyers Lake is being drained and about 30 law enforcement officers are searching wooded areas and abandoned buildings outside of Evansdale.

(139) comments

NewsReader
NewsReader

Why not an Amber Alert? Time is precious in any missing child case.

mama2boys
mama2boys

Praying they are found safe and sound and soon.

heikecstrand
heikecstrand

I believe Amber alerts can only be issued where there is a way to identify the child's direction, such as a vehicle, etc. The goal is to flash the info on the news and freeways and find the perpetrator. In this case, is there a perpetrator and if so, who? If not, I hope they just wandered too far away! xoxo

Stana
Stana

I dont understand no amber Alert either. The youngest is 8!Thier family is not like that. Black hawk county people showed up trying to help. I was there for almost 5 hours trying to help and at 1 am people were still showing up to try and help. I will be there as soon as I can and as soon as the officail let us cause for a signifigent period we wee not allowed to search certain areas. I kinda get that except 4 now u can go anywher unhindered

NewsReader
NewsReader

I just pray for their safe return.

freshoutaprison
freshoutaprison

I really hope that a larger agency than EPD is in charge of the case. And why no Amber Alert? Have tracking dogs been brought in? Have the registered sex offenders in the area been made to account for there whereabouts? I realize that all info cant be made public, but the public should be aware that all is being done.

so4real
so4real

There are so many people all over the nation praying for these girls' safe return and for comfort for their families.

I remember when I was a child, all the adults looked out for each other's children. As an adult, I sense that this has been lost. I believe that it is everyone's responsibility to do our best to keep all children safe. I'm hoping we can obtain a greater sense of community and become more watchful of each other's children. We sometimes think bad things can't happen here, until it happens.

timbrackett
timbrackett

Please, God, help these girls get back to their families safe and sound.

LP23D6
LP23D6

I too pray for their safe return. There's a lot going on around that area with all the road construction. I hope that isn't a factor.

queenmab
queenmab

I think sometimes we become too comfortable in our small, church-going communities. Strangers know this, and think our children are easy prey. Please, Lord, let them be found alive, soon.

troutman92
troutman92

Amber Alert: has to be called an abduction and person(s) entered into system as missing, under age of 18, victim is known to possibly be in danger AND sufficient information about abductor (vehicle, license plate, physical descriptors, etc.).....unfortunately you need ALL of this criteria for an Amber Alert. my prayers for these girls, their families and this community.

Jimbo
Jimbo

Okay the good news here is that hundreds of things are being done by local, county, state and federal authorities. Bloggers tend to complain that not much is being done locally. YOUR LOCAL PEOPLE KNOW WHEN TO CALL FOR HELP!!!!!

What you read in the newspaper is a very SMALL fraction of what is happening, and CERTAINLY

thinkpink
thinkpink

So far, the only family members mentioned publically are one of the mothers and the grandmother. What about the other mother and both fathers? Is there a chance that one of the parents was the abductor? I am certainly NOT accusing anyone, as I obvioulsy do not know anyone in this case, but if that is a possibility, then wouldn't it help the hundreds of people helping to know this? Then areas near the residences of all parties involved could be searched, too?
I know, the family matters of those involved is NONE of our business, but I am just thinking that it would help if we knew whether we were looking at a stranger abduction, or a family dispute abduction???? I am thinking that a STRANGER abducting 2 girls at noon, on a Friday afternoon, on a bike trail near a popular lake and park would cause a lot of commotion and SOMEONE would of seen or heard something. But, if it was someone the girls knew, then the scenario could of been a lot less likely to attract any attention. As thoroughly as the nearby areas have been searched and re-searched,and the amount of time that has lapsed, it is obvioulsy time to widen the search area. Give us all something to go on so we are not wasting precious time searching areas that are not likely to reveal anything....

whateveruthink
whateveruthink

“At this time it’s still a missing persons case. There’s no indication of foul play,” said Capt. Rick Abben, chief deputy with the Black Hawk County Sheriff’s Office, during a press conference at the CRC shortly after 1:30 p.m. today.


With law enforcement like this, the only hope for these girls is from the citizens. Shame on you Evansdale Police and shame on you Black Hawk County sheriff's department.

3_angels
3_angels

Everyone needs to pray that these girls come home safely and soon, I am sure that all the agencies involved are doing all they can during the time they are searching and not searching. That is why it is so important for our small community to come together to help the families in bringing their girls home. The news states that they call off the ground search but that does not mean that they don't still look into other leads and tips. Lets not critize what anyone is or is not doing and focus on helping as much as we can to bring these girls home.

takeastand
takeastand

How much more evidence of foul play do you need when it comes to children ?? Give me a break. Nancy Grace should have a field with the way you all are handeling this investigation. I think when it comes to chidren things should be handeled different. I will tell you what there is no evidence of and that is that these girls were not abducted. There is no evidence of that.

Great mom
Great mom

So an amber alert won't be possible because of the rules with it....maybe the amber alert law should be revised....for now, why aren't they looking outside state boundaries like Minnesota or south Dakota? Can't they at least be using those local tv stations to show photos of the girls? All I know is if these were my kids I would do anything to get them back....I would die for my without hesitation . I pray continually for Elizabeth and Lyric and for their family and friends and for the search and rescue team and for the hundreds of volunteers....my heart is breaking for these girls who must be frightened and for the parents who have no answers....

wolflady
wolflady

you tell me how much more evidence they need when the girls purse is not that far away with her cell phone? Why would the girl leave that behind...come on officers, time is of the essence...it is running out!!!!!

PantherGirl
PantherGirl

Negative comments are counterproductive. I see an extraordinary effort behind put forth by an entire community, law enforcement organizations, and private businesses. I share the frustration that everyone is feeling. It's disheartening that no new evidence has turned up. But finger pointing is a waste of energy that could be better spent elsewhere. Clicking the mouse to share stories & photos would be a much better use of those fingers. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-815345.

NoName
NoName

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NoName
NoName

Have they looked for outsiders, have they questioned the Family. Why throw the purse over Fence when you would easily throw it in the Lake SOmething just does not add up here

Dacuha
Dacuha

there is more than just evansdale the bike trail goes along way and some of those areas even make me nervous withor without my dog so what is to say some freak isn't using that undetected

unipanther
unipanther

Why is it these girls are all over the news, yet I can walk into the local Wal-Mart and see a poster full of missing kids. Aren't they just as important?

red1
red1

There are many things happening in this investigation that you do not now about. For instance, the FBI has set up inside the local elementary school. I was out searching yesterday and picking up food, water, and ice donations so that the volunteers and officials could eat and stay hydrated. Iknow the Collins' family. I had Elizabeth in my class and another child from their family as well. This family goes to my church. I was at their home Friday night sitting on the floor praying with them. Some of you are sitting behind your computers and have done NOTHING to help. Stop criticizing and get over there and HELP. For those of you who are helping by praying and donating, THANK YOU.

takeastand
takeastand

Im sure that you would not be so cencerned with negetive comments if it were you're children. EPD needed to call in FBI on Friday not Saturday. Totally uncomfortable with the way this is being handeled.

crwalton
crwalton

I also hope for the safe return of the girls, but I agree that the negative comments aren't helping. The police are doing everything they can. They can't just say that there was foul play involved on a hunch, they need evidence to back it up. That doesn't mean that they don't personally feel that there was an abduction, they just can't say anything until they know. They know more about what is going on than we do, and they are following up with sex offenders in the area.
If we are all concerned about getting the news to everyone, then start posting links on facebook and help in that way. We have the ability to spread the word, too!

Opinionof2
Opinionof2

In regards to the Amber Alert the exact same alerts have been made, just not with the name "amber alert". Media coverage, law enforcement state/nation wide and also with the addition of Evansdale PD getting the agency for Missing and Exploited Children and DCI involved. I assure you, if you were involved in searching for these kids you would know everything possible is being done to get these girls home as soon as possible. Stop looking for the negative in everything and do something positive and get involved in physically searching for them instead. Remember family members are reading these blogs and need positive messages.

scooterbug
scooterbug

[quote]red1 said: "There are many things happening in this investigation that you do not now about. For instance, the FBI has set up inside the local elementary school. I was out s Some of you are sitting behind your computers and have done NOTHING to help. Stop criticizing and get over there and HELP. For those of you who are helping by praying and donating, THANK YOU."[/quote]

Amen! Some people have to try and make themselves seem important by offering their great "wisdom" on just about anything. Annoying and non-productive. DO SOMETHING that doesn't involve running your mouths!

Dacuha
Dacuha

I have two uncles and a father in jail for crimes against kids that knew and trusted them.being how many blocks from home or were they play they knew the person that led them that far

avee
avee

There is a large lake overflow pipe about 15 feet from the trail where the bikes were found. The pipe looks to easily be big enough to allow a child to go in. Has anbody checked that and where does it empty? The other side of the highway?
Also there is a large gate in the fence right at this point that was open to allow access to the lake from the trail. I have never seen it open but this time it was open. Was it left open by accident by the city? I don't think the girls could have opened it.

nanag
nanag

unipanther you need to keep your thoughts to yourself you do things like this to get attention and this is not about you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Out-of-towner
Out-of-towner

So why aren't you "computer cowboys/girls" out assisting in the search for the missing girls rather than blogging idiot statements (thinkpink / unipanther).

takeastand
takeastand

Well i would like you to know that I have been involved in searching for the last couple of days!! Not going today. That is how I know the FBI did not get called in until Saturday. and as far as the national center for missing children that also should have been called in Saturday. Maybe you should not be so concerned about comments and join yourself.

badtoe
badtoe

Those young girls moved a long ways from where they were last seen on Lafayette Rd to that Southeast corner Meyers Lake... If they kept moving at that pace, it might be time to start looking towards the Cedar River too. Praying they are found safe!

whtnationalist
whtnationalist

There are hundreds of kids missing in Iowa. I did a quick spread sheet and over 40% of disappearances happen in June, July, and August. Next I will check for percent of missing children vs adults. For official data see: http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/

meg
meg

This is a scary situation......i grew up in waterloo/cedar falls and had friends who lived there and aquaintances that still do...this is hard enough situation for everyone ...just wondering has anyone mentioned calls received or outgoing from that cell phone? What about searching by layfette(sp?)?

bluedarkstar
bluedarkstar

[quote]badtoe said: "Those young girls moved a long ways from where they were last seen on Lafayette Rd to that Southeast corner Meyers Lake... If they kept moving at that pace, it might be time to start looking towards the Cedar River too. Praying they are found safe!"[/quote]

They have been searching the river starting at Deerwood Park yesterday.

meg
meg

[quote]whtnationalist said: "There are hundreds of kids missing in Iowa. I did a quick spread sheet and over 40% of disappearances happen in June, July, and August. Next I will check for percent of missing children vs adults. For official data see: http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/ "[/quote]


Wow.....that is some scary news.....

whtnationalist
whtnationalist

[quote]meg said: "Wow.....that is some scary news....."[/quote]

For children over 46% disappear in just 3 months, June, Julu, and August. This is may be due to nice weather, seasonal movement of people, or who knows what.

83grad
83grad

If they were last seen in downtown evansdale, and their bikes were found on the south side if the lake, why is it that nobody saw them travel that distance, either on the bike trails or the streets??? You are not going to travel that distance and not pass somebody. If they fell in the lake, at least the flip flops would have been found. I think they were abducted closer to home, and their bikes were dumped by the lake.

takeastand
takeastand

I agree whtnationlist. I did a search also. There were like 5 amd 9 year olds missing like 45 minutes to an hour away that we never even heard of. Unreal how do they expect to locate these children if the word is not out there. Wow Iowa shame on you all.

takeastand
takeastand

83grad I was thinkin that also. I do not believe the children ever made it to that lake. I think the bikes were just dumped there also.

unipanther
unipanther

[quote]Out-of-towner said: "So why aren't you "computer cowboys/girls" out assisting in the search for the missing girls rather than blogging idiot statements (thinkpink / unipanther)."[/quote]

Same reason you're commenting on this. I don't think begging a question as to why other people aren't all over the Courier for being missing is an idiot statement. You should be ashamed of yourself for that, imagine if you're their parent, alls they want is their child back and they get a piece of paper on a Walmart board.

hopefulheart
hopefulheart

I'm a grandma of three beautiful granddaughters and would be devastated by such a trerrible situation as Elizabeth's and Lyric's families are forced to endure tonight. I'm in another part of the state, so I'm unable to join in the search in Evansdale, but will do what I can to get the girls' photos circulating amongst my friends. I'm not the praying kind, but I'm doing a lot of it tonight.

Are volunteers posting photos of Elizabeth and Lyric at truck stops and rest stops along the interstate? Truckers, can you help by staying watchful as you traverse the roadways and cross state lines?

All my hopes are with you, investigators, law enforcement folks, and volunteers; be persistent--stay hopeful.

carpark43
carpark43

#1. Question... They say they were last seen behind ledermans @ 2:15 pm in evansdale...WHO SEEN THEM!!!!!!!!.
#2. Question... Were they happy, crying, running, on phone, did they check out cell phone?
#3/ Why are they not putting out the name of person who last seen them and which way did they go? left,right,straight?
#4. Why are the officials not taking this as an abduction with an Amber Alert?
These are all questions left UNANSWERED. If they were seen @ 2:15 pm in evansdale, SOMEONE MUST HAVE SEEN THEM...WHO? Is this some kind of big secret? I would like to know a name so I could ask whoever seen them what they saw EXACTLY.
Why did they set up an FBI station at the elementary school if no one has no interest in an Amber Alert or an Abduction????
I just wonder if anyone else can make any sense of this?

carpark43
carpark43

I just asked very important questions and I don't see my comments and questions. where are they?

FDloo
FDloo

[quote]83grad said: "If they were last seen in downtown evansdale, and their bikes were found on the south side if the lake, why is it that nobody saw them travel that distance, either on the bike trails or the streets??? You are not going to travel that distance and not pass somebody. If they fell in the lake, at least the flip flops would have been found. I think they were abducted closer to home, and their bikes were dumped by the lake. "[/quote]

That's pure speculation. Besides, do you catalog everyone you see in a day? They weren't missing at the time, so there was no reason they would stick out to someone.

LoveNPeace
LoveNPeace

Ok carpark43, first I want to address that they were last seen at 12:15 NOT 2:15.
#1. Question... They say they were last seen behind ledermans @ 2:15 pm in evansdale...WHO SEEN THEM!!!!!!!!.

-It is not required for law enforcement to release the names of witnesses until trial. What good would it do any of us knowing who last saw them? As long as law enforcement knows, it's fine.

#2. Question... Were they happy, crying, running, on phone, did they check out cell phone?

-I am sure they have spoken with the witness several times and taken a statement. And I am sure the cell phone was checked for strange numbers or final calls.

#3/ Why are they not putting out the name of person who last seen them and which way did they go? left,right,straight?

-Again, unless an extremely high profile case, it is normal not to release the witnesses name, and it would do you no good but give you the name of someone to hound with your questions. They have already plotted out the areas of possibility. Once that person saw them, they could of gone any direction several times. I am sure the direction, mood and such are in the witness statement.

#4. Why are the officials not taking this as an abduction with an Amber Alert?

-There is absolutely nothing to go on. You cannot issue an Amber Alert without either a vehicle description or suspect description, neither of which exist in this case.

I recommend you either go out and help search or donate your time or prayers instead of worrying about who the last person to see them was. If there was a possible predator on the loose, would you release the name of every Tom Dick and Harry that could possibly ID them and put the witness in danger? Not likely.

cindersoot
cindersoot

The fence line where the girls bikes were found and purse is right next to hwy 20. I highly dought that the girls are still in Evansdale. An Amber Alert needs to be issued with at least their faces plastered all over!

gkb32
gkb32

[quote]thinkpink said: "So far, the only family members mentioned publically are one of the mothers and the grandmother. What about the other mother and both fathers? Is there a chance that one of the parents was the abductor? I am certainly NOT accusing anyone, as I obvioulsy do not know anyone in this case, but if that is a possibility, then wouldn't it help the hundreds of people helping to know this? Then areas near the residences of all parties involved could be searched, too? I know, the family matters of those involved is NONE of our business, but I am just thinking that it would help if we knew whether we were looking at a stranger abduction, or a family dispute abduction???? I am thinking that a STRANGER abducting 2 girls at noon, on a Friday afternoon, on a bike trail near a popular lake and park would cause a lot of commotion and SOMEONE would of seen or heard something. But, if it was someone the girls knew, then the scenario could of been a lot less likely to attract any attention. As thoroughly as the nearby areas have been searched and re-searched,and the amount of time that has lapsed, it is obvioulsy time to widen the search area. Give us all something to go on so we are not wasting precious time searching areas that are not likely to reveal anything...."[/quote]

I've been asking this same question since all this started. I don't know the families at all, but I never hear mention of Lyric's dad. Not accusing at all, but just wondering if he's in the picture. I'm sure the authorities/FBI have checked that out, but don't hear anything about that in the news.

cindersoot
cindersoot

Again, the fence line where the two girls bikes and purse was found is smack next to hwy 20. An Amber alert needs to be issued with their pictures. ASAP

northiowan
northiowan

WOW, all the experts sure come out in times of crisis to pick at what the officials are doing, huh?

First of all, whtnationalist, unipanther, and takeastand, the reason you're seeing these cases on the news and not the others is because their disappearance is recent. The chances of a missing person being found drop significantly as the first hours and days pass. The sad truth is that cases like Elizabeth Smart are extremely rare, and the longer a child is missing, the less likely it is that he or she will be found alive. The media and law enforcement focus their energy and effort where it is (much) most likely to be fruitful. That being said, 99% of children reported missing ARE found - and you can thank law enforcement and other officials for that.

To avee, whateveruthink, wolflady, and others: when law enforcement says there is no evidence of foul play, it means just that. You all read into these statements way too much. There is no signs of a struggle, no blood, no clothing, no witness that saw anything unsavory. It DOESN'T mean that law enforcement isn't LOOKING for evidence. The statement is intended to reassure everyone who is worried that SO FAR, we have no proof that the girls have been harmed. Period.

The problem with all of the theories and conjecture posted here is that they are all based on the small amount of information given to the media and volunteers. Watching some crime dramas on TV doesn't qualify you to dream up some expert theory of the crime. Law enforcement doesn't (and shouldn't) give out everything to the public, in part because of amateur detectives like some of you that think it's your right to question witnesses and criticize every move the TRAINED PROFESSIONALS are making. They release information that is useful to the public in assisting with the search, and that's it.

Do you really think that you're the only genius that would think to check with the families and known predators in the area? Just because YOU haven't heard that something has been done doesn't mean that it hasn't - police are not and should not be required to give a real-time, step-by-step account of the investigation. THAT would take valuable time away from their work, would create lots of problems, and would add nothing.

If you want to be helpful, be there to help when the officials ask for it, and help get the word out to everyone you know.

Stacey
Stacey

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/16/us/iowa-missing-cousins/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
It's one of the top stories on cnn.com. Glad it's getting out nationally.

gramma of 2
gramma of 2

Does anyone remember the 19 yr. old that has been missing in Evansdale since the 9th of July? Well who knows, maybe he has them, why wasn't his face plastered all over saying he was missing with health issues? STRANGE!

LoveNPeace
LoveNPeace

@cindersoot, continue saying it all you want but an Amber Alert CANNOT be issued as this case DOES NOT meet the criteria. For example, there is no suspect, no vehicle, nothing. Law enforcement also has to CONFIRM an abduction has taken place. I believe they were abducted, but there is not any evidence to confirm an abduction.

scooterbug
scooterbug

[quote]Stacey said: "http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/16/us/iowa-missing-cousins/index.html?hpt=hp_t1It's one of the top stories on cnn.com. Glad it's getting out nationally. "[/quote]

It's been on the FOX web page for 3 days now.

northiowan, great post, won't stop people from playing Jethro Gibbs, but great post anyway. :)

Waterloo Citizen
Waterloo Citizen

Is this another alien abduction being covered up by the government?

gramma of 2
gramma of 2

[quote]Waterloo Citizen said: "Is this another alien abduction being covered up by the government?"[/quote]

Really? Stay off of this article if you can't be serious.

CitizenKane
CitizenKane

I would like to know if anyone has thought to use Bloodhounds. They are amazing at tracking. I would think this would be a tool law enforcement should try.

takeastand
takeastand

[quote]northiowan said: "WOW, all the experts sure come out in times of crisis to pick at what the officials are doing, huh?First of all, whtnationalist, unipanther, and takeastand, the reason you're seeing these cases on the news and not the others is because their disappearance is recent. The chances of a missing person being found drop significantly as the first hours and days pass. The sad truth is that cases like Elizabeth Smart are extremely rare, and the longer a child is missing, the less likely it is that he or she will be found alive. The media and law enforcement focus their energy and effort where it is (much) most likely to be fruitful. That being said, 99% of children reported missing ARE found - and you can thank law enforce

Like I stated before there are children missing right here from Iowa and we NEVER!!! heard of them PERIOD. So what is the point you are trying to make ? Where are the numbers that prove what you are saying. I am sure that you feel very different if what were someone in your family missing. You would not want to hear all that no evidence BS when you know different. like I said previously where is the evidence that there was NO foul play ? Since you seem to know so much answer that please.

takeastand
takeastand

Late Much ??? Wow now you want to start checking cars. A couple days late and a dollar short don't you think ? What exactly do you think you will find in checking cars this late in the game ? I sure nothing else like this happens around here cause we know we can't depend this kind of law enforcement. O and did the mayor return from his vacation yet ? lol

alexis h
alexis h

Is Barney Fife running this operation? Stopping vehicles in Evansdale 4 days _after_ the girls went missing will not aid in solving this mystery! I see many mentions of checking woods and lakes and parks and homes - have they checked the Mitchell Avenue Sandpits or the many salvage yards surrounding them? When I was a Waterloo high schooler years ago, we used to creep each other out with legends about bodies buried in the Sandpits...usually while illegally partying in and around the area. There are a lot of secret nooks and crannies out there.

kheagel
kheagel

Have they checked the camping site to check and see what campers may have left the park on Sunday. Checked the neighboring houses to possibly see who else likes to hang out down by the lake. Also inform weigh ins for semis since the exit is closed and some have to detour through evansdale?

JC
JC

Draining Meyers Lake??? The girls are not in Meyers Lake. I cannot believe that they are actually draining the lake. Where's the DNR????

chadfusa
chadfusa

I am not psychic, but believe God directs me through life. From asking questions in prayer I feel answers I have received are that the Girls are still alive, not with anyone else, that they are still around Meyers Lake, that they are trapped inadvertantly and can't escape. I will go to the site after work and see if God will direct me to them.

sup_foo
sup_foo

There are many traffic cameras along that stretch that the dot has set up to monitor traffic,are those images being recorded? maybe they can track cars thru that streatch and see if any time disrepancys exist from one cam to the next.

cindersoot
cindersoot

I used goggle map and was right where the girls bikes were found. Question, can goggle reverse the satelite pictures to check if the girls are on there?

btincc
btincc

They mentioned that the search included areas in Osage and Dubuque but never said why. Wonder what's up with that?

pantherfan1
pantherfan1

The camera's do not record, just a live feed. What is going on with the mom on Headline News smiling about swimming which she mentions twenty times? Weird.

eliza_50648
eliza_50648

[quote]kheagel said: "Have they checked the camping site to check and see what campers may have left the park on Sunday. Checked the neighboring houses to possibly see who else likes to hang out down by the lake. Also inform weigh ins for semis since the exit is closed and some have to detour through evansdale?"[/quote]

My cousins are the camp hosts at Deerwood, and they have complied with law enforcement to the best of their abilities.

atrusmmiii
atrusmmiii

[quote]cindersoot said: "I used goggle map and was right where the girls bikes were found. Question, can goggle reverse the satelite pictures to check if the girls are on there?"[/quote]

Google Earth doesn't work that way. Contray to conspiracy theorist Satellites don't hover above us all day long. Google Earth uses readily available images from US Geological Service. Which does those images every 1-2 years depending on need.

83grad
83grad

My earlier comment about someone not seeing them on the trail going to meyers lake, no I don't catalog who I see, but if I were on the trail or near it and saw two girls, I would have remembered it later when two girls were missing. Especially considering most people know each other in evansdale. And the last person to see them at 12:15 was the grandmother, and the younger girl lives behind ledermans.

first amendment
first amendment

[quote]cindersoot said: "I used goggle map and was right where the girls bikes were found. Question, can goggle reverse the satelite pictures to check if the girls are on there?"[/quote]

Dear God are you kidding me? Before you start suggesting investigation methods I suggest you learn about the technologies that you are suggesting.

To everyone that is questioning why this, or that didn't happen at a certain time, remember that hindsight is 20/20, and when you are going off of certain theories in the beginning of an investigation it wouldn't make sense to start certain procedures. i.e. If every time some kid went missing (happens a lot) we shut down the interstate and highways to check every car the people would revolt. The investigators were thinking the same thing I was when this first started, that the girls ended up in the lake and that's where the focus had to start. There was nothing pointing to another possible method of disappearance at the time. Now that they have dragged the lake, and are draining it, they will know. Unfortunately these things take time to do.

Stana
Stana

Well went to Deerwood on Friday afternoon to search. Kudos to Staples whom I called at 8:19 and they made 100 posters before 9 Pm to be picked up and handed out. 4 woman canvased the Deerwood campground, walked the bike trail and walked the cornfields and paths around deerwwod. Amougst Many Many Many otehrs who were showing up to try and help... I was not clear where the purse was till the Recent up dates. I understand the locked gate I walked by and shown where the bike were left was unlocked at the earlier...Huge difference...That place was the best place to acess the lake. The trees and growth on the highway side of the road is sooo dense right there....

northiowan
northiowan

[quote]takeastand said: "Late Much ??? Wow now you want to start checking cars. A couple days late and a dollar short don't you think ? What exactly do you think you will find in checking cars this late in the game ? I sure nothing else like this happens around here cause we know we can't depend this kind of law enforcement. O and did the mayor return from his vacation yet ? lol "[/quote]

What is YOUR point? You're complaining about how there are cases that you have never heard of--which of course means that they were never publicized, because if YOU didn't hear about it then obviously NO ONE did--and yet at the same time complaining that not enough is being done about THIS case. And worst of all, you haven't even bothered to do any research before spouting off. If you go back and look, all but one of the cases from Iowa in the last 15 years are listed as "endangered runaway" - a very different circumstance from this case, and handled very differently by law enforcement for that reason. It's pretty telling that you are whining about how the officials can't be trusted when you can't even understand that concept without help.

As for your "foul play" theory...I can't "prove" a negative. Like I said before, right now there NO EVIDENCE of foul play. You nor the family can "know different" about what happened - in fact, the families have made many appearances in the media professing belief that the girls will be found safe. It seems as though your imagination is running away with you; at this point, there is equal amounts of evidence (specifically, none) that the girls went somewhere together and got lost or injured and just haven't been located yet, as there is that something sinister happened.

It's sad that we don't have answers, but you reacting to that by making up your own answers is not helping anyone. If law enforcement jumped to conclusions like you have, they could easily miss something important that could lead them to the girls. They are wisely continuing to check into all the possibilities until they find something to help narrow them down. Clearly, it's a good thing the professionals are leading this investigation...

And, since you asked, here's some information supporting my earlier claims about missing children:

http://www.http://sparkaction.org/node/223

maravich1
maravich1

We out here in California are praying for safe return of those two beautiful young girls to their families.

chadfusa
chadfusa

I don't know if you've ever been on a long bike trip but I'll tell you, you don't go out of eyesight of your bicycle for very long. WHY? Cause you don't wont someone to take it and then you are stranded and walking home. Now I'm definitely not a pscychic but I felt drawn to the following area three separate places and zero'd in on it. North of Gilbert Dr, Which is North of the creek, South of Central Avenue. That whole wooded area I would search.

takeastand
takeastand

[quote]northiowan said: "What is YOUR point? You're complaining about how there are cases that you have never heard of--which of course means that they were never publicized, because if YOU didn't hear about it then obviously NO ONE did--and yet at the same time complaining that not enough is being done about THIS case. And worst of all, you haven't even bothered to do any research before spouting off. If you go back and look, all but one of the cases from Iowa in the last 15 years are listed as "endangered runaway" - a very different circumstance from this case, and handled very differently by law enforcement for that reason. It's pretty telling that you are whining about how the officials can't be trusted when you can't even understand that concept without help.As for your "foul play" theory...I can't "prove" a negative. Like I said before, right now there NO EVIDENCE of foul play. You nor the family can "know different" about what happened - in fact, the families have made many appearances in the media professing belief that the girls will be found safe. It seems as though your imagination is running away with you; at this point, there is equal amounts of evidence (specifically, none) that the girls went somewhere together and got lost or injured and just haven't been located yet, as there is that something sinister happened. It's sad that we don't have answers, but you reacting to that by making up your own answers is not helping anyone. If law enforcement jumped to conclusions like you have, they could easily miss something important that could lead them to the girls. They are wisely continuing to check into all the possibilities until they find something to help narrow them down. Clearly, it's a good thing the professionals are leading this investigation...And, since you asked, here's some information supporting my earlier claims about missing children:http://www.http://sparkaction.org/node/223 "[/quote]

You are not worth any more of my conversation. I feel the way I feel and you feel the way you feel. I am entitled to my feelings just as you are. If you do not like what I post ignore and move on. No time for going back and forth here.

meg
meg

@gramma of 2....theres another person that is 19 still missing from there? Im from that area and it is a small town to have 3 people missing in such a small time frame....thats sad

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]chadfusa said: "I don't know if you've ever been on a long bike trip but I'll tell you, you don't go out of eyesight of your bicycle for very long. WHY? Cause you don't wont someone to take it and then you are stranded and walking home. Now I'm definitely not a pscychic but I felt drawn to the following area three separate places and zero'd in on it. North of Gilbert Dr, Which is North of the creek, South of Central Avenue. That whole wooded area I would search."[/quote]

Why? What reasoning do you have for searching these areas? Randomly suggesting areas is not helpful, and would actually *hurt* the search, as they search less likely areas before more likely ones.

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]cindersoot said: "I used goggle map and was right where the girls bikes were found. Question, can goggle reverse the satelite pictures to check if the girls are on there?"[/quote]

Wow, some people's grasp of modern technology is *amazing*.

unifight14
unifight14

[quote]takeastand said: "You are not worth any more of my conversation. I feel the way I feel and you feel the way you feel. I am entitled to my feelings just as you are. If you do not like what I post ignore and move on. No time for going back and forth here. "[/quote]

Please then, in your infinite wisdom, tell me why you don't possess a position with Law Enforcement authorities and are not heading up this entire investigation. You obviously are much more knowledgeable then all of the other professionals. There is only so much that can be done at certain times with the complete lack of any evidence. You can just go searching every house, car, person in Iowa on a hunch. Like northiowan said, there is as much evidence that they are trapped or lost as there is an abduction. Leave the work to the big boys, and lie down before you hurt yourself.

chadfusa
chadfusa

IowanAtheist - I suppose an atheist would comment on a matter of faith. I've been warned and informed through internal responses to prayerful meditation on several matters, and do believe I have a dialog with the creator of the universe. I have been near death and seen God in the spirit, he does exist without any doubt, God is light and in him is no darkness at all, in fact he is a great sea of light suspended in complete darkness.

For the moment, internal responses to my prayerful meditation have been unfruitful this morning. I fully believe the girls to be in the area I have pointed out, though even in my own post my own logic says otherwise.

jjr12345
jjr12345

Did anyone see the interview of Lyric's mom on Anderson Cooper?

mn
mn

Have they tried searching Hanson Lake? They mentioned searching Deerwood Park and Meyers Lake, but not Hanson Lake. I'm not real familiar with the area, but from Google Earth it looks like Hanson Lake (just south of Meyers Lake across I-380/Hwy 20) is really close too. Not sure if there is easy access, but seems like another logical place to look.

jondoe
jondoe

Chadfusa- I'm glad you base your life on the book called the "bible" rather than Mad magazine or it might sound crazy!

meg
meg

[quote]jjr12345 said: "Did anyone see the interview of Lyric's mom on Anderson Cooper? "[/quote]


I just watched it and all i can say is seriously?

gramma of 2
gramma of 2

[quote]meg said: "@gramma of 2....theres another person that is 19 still missing from there? Im from that area and it is a small town to have 3 people missing in such a small time frame....thats sad"[/quote]

I heard yesterday that the 19 yr. old I was talking about with the medical problems was found dead in Mitchell sandpits.

pantherfan1
pantherfan1

Did not see the Anderson Cooper interview. What about it? I thought the Jane interview was strange. Smiling and talking about swimming at the lake for five weeks going over that several times. I know none of us can say how we would act, but I am sure I would be crying/begging whoever took my child to drop them off somewhere.

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]chadfusa said: "IowanAtheist - I suppose an atheist would comment on a matter of faith. I've been warned and informed through internal responses to prayerful meditation on several matters, and do believe I have a dialog with the creator of the universe.

[/quote]

That's quite egotistical of you.

[quote]

I have been near death and seen God in the spirit,

[/quote]

Funny how there is plenty of evidence that these near death experiences are hallucinations, and no evidence that they are actually supernatural...

[quote]

he does exist without any doubt,

[/quote]

Citation needed. In fact, the vast majority of people on this planet very much doubt the existence of *your* god. Between Islam, Hindus and atheists there are 3.5 billion people that disagree with your idea of a god -- not to mention that the 2.1 billion christians are subdivided. The largest single denomination only has 1.2 billion -- and not even all the *Catholics* agree on a definition of their god.

[quote]

God is light and in him is no darkness at all,

[/quote]

Well, other than the fact that if your god did exist, he would be histories worst genocidal maniac, killing more people than any other historical people -- not to mention the untold suffering he supposedly damns them to, for eternity.

[quote]

in fact he is a great sea of light suspended in complete darkness. For the moment, internal responses to my prayerful meditation have been unfruitful this morning.

[/quote]

Color me surprised.

[quote]

I fully believe the girls to be in the area I have pointed out, though even in my own post my own logic says otherwise."[/quote]

There's logic somewhere in your post?

chadfusa
chadfusa

jondoe - like the name. If you think about it, there shouldn't anything at all in existance, at what point do you get something from nothing? Big Bang, where'd the fire cracker come from? Where did space come from? Where did God come from? Out of all of this, you have the bible where Jesus' life, and pillars of his life were prophesied hundreds of years before his coming.

Though I don't see where I need to convince anyone of anything, faith is a gift, I see you're plumb out, enjoy your life. :)

I did want to clarify though, I did not hear a voice from God, I simply felt led to that area and now I don't sense anything at all. This whole thing with finding the bikes but not the girls is about as confusing as a cow on astroturf.

FDloo
FDloo

[quote]mn said: "Have they tried searching Hanson Lake? They mentioned searching Deerwood Park and Meyers Lake, but not Hanson Lake. I'm not real familiar with the area, but from Google Earth it looks like Hanson Lake (just south of Meyers Lake across I-380/Hwy 20) is really close too. Not sure if there is easy access, but seems like another logical place to look. "[/quote]

That would be a waste of time. Why would the girls ditch their bikes and a purse to continue on an adventure? It doesn't make much sense to me. Given that there was no sign of struggle near the bikes, I would assume they were abducted by someone they know. I wrote a very lengthy comment earlier about the criminal history and criminal friendships of the families...but the Courier rejected my comment.

first amendment
first amendment

[quote]gramma of 2 said: "I heard yesterday that the 19 yr. old I was talking about with the medical problems was found dead in Mitchell sandpits."[/quote]

Was this reported in the news at all? I would think that something of that magnitude would have all kinds of headlines. Otherwise, if you are just repeating a rumor then you are adding to the problem.

momma09
momma09

[quote]FDloo said: "That would be a waste of time. Why would the girls ditch their bikes and a purse to continue on an adventure? It doesn't make much sense to me. Given that there was no sign of struggle near the bikes, I would assume they were abducted by someone they know. I wrote a very lengthy comment earlier about the criminal history and criminal friendships of the families...but the Courier rejected my comment. "[/quote]

I also made a similar comment yesterday, it was declined as well. I am proud to be a part of a community with such an overwhelming response to the disappearance of these girls, but there just has to be more than meets the eye on this one. I pray they are found safe!

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]chadfusa said: "jondoe - like the name. If you think about it, there shouldn't anything at all in existance, at what point do you get something from nothing?

[/quote]

Prior to the Big Bang.

[quote]

Big Bang,

[/quote]

So basically, you disbelieve in a theory you don't even understand?

[quote]

where'd the fire cracker come from?

[/quote]

Quantum foam and Big Crunch are both theories to answer that.

[quote]

Where did space come from?

[/quote]

The Big Bang.

[quote]

Where did God come from?

[/quote]

Man's desire to explain the world around him prior to having the tools to explain it rationally.

[quote]

Out of all of this, you have the bible where Jesus' life, and pillars of his life were prophesied hundreds of years before his coming.

[/quote]

That's false. The bible did not exist until hundreds of years after his death, and was *heavily* edited between that point and now. For instance, the resurrection does not even exist in the oldest known forms of the gospels.

[quote]

Though I don't see where I need to convince anyone of anything, faith is a gift, I see you're plumb out, enjoy your life. :)I did want to clarify though, I did not hear a voice from God,

[/quote]

That's a good start!

[quote]

I simply felt led to that area and now I don't sense anything at all. This whole thing with finding the bikes but not the girls is about as confusing as a cow on astroturf."[/quote]

...?

takeastand
takeastand

[quote]unifight14 said: "Please then, in your infinite wisdom, tell me why you don't possess a position with Law Enforcement authorities and are not heading up this entire investigation. You obviously are much more knowledgeable then all of the other professionals. There is only so much that can be done at certain times with the complete lack of any evidence. You can just go searching every house, car, person in Iowa on a hunch. Like northiowan said, there is as much evidence that they are trapped or lost as there is an abduction. Leave the work to the big boys, and lie down before you hurt yourself. "[/quote]

"Again" You are not worth any of my conversation. I feel the way I feel and you feel the way you feel. I am entitled to my feelings just as you are. If you do not like what I post ignore and move on. No time for going back and forth here.


jondoe
jondoe

Chadfusa-Where did the dinosaurs come from, or the Neanderthals? Jesus brother James perhaps? I'm glad your name isn't Leviticus for you may have smote your neighbor for not having a beard. A ouiji board would have been as accurate as you, or perhaps some chicken bones or tea leaves.

chadfusa
chadfusa

JohnDoe and IowanAtheist - At what point did we become enemies? These posts are about girls in trouble, I felt I had some insight and shared it, it still might be true, until it is proven false.

I also am a skeptic, to some extent of the bible, it's very hard to rightly divide it's meanings, it even says it was written in parable so that those who are on their way to destruction won't understand it. And I understand Catholics chose the books that were to be included and we know they are wrong (I don't, just saying), even Jesus had words to the effect that the bible is indeed intended to be Gods book.

As for the other matters, if you told me you went to see Niagra Falls, why should I doubt that Niagra Falls exists? When I saw God there were no signs there at all, I only know what I saw and I'm glad to testify about it. Even in death unbelievers still won't believe, just that they are in chains of darkness as the fallen angels, destined for judgment.

Luke 16:31 "But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.'"

meg
meg

[quote]gramma of 2 said: "I heard yesterday that the 19 yr. old I was talking about with the medical problems was found dead in Mitchell sandpits."[/quote]


So was this true? I never heard anything about it and it was a shock beings im from around there

meg
meg

[quote]jondoe said: "Chadfusa-Where did the dinosaurs come from, or the Neanderthals? Jesus brother James perhaps? I'm glad your name isn't Leviticus for you may have smote your neighbor for not having a beard. A ouiji board would have been as accurate as you, or perhaps some chicken bones or tea leaves."[/quote]


Seriously.........im sorry none of this is a joke......

bigblklady
bigblklady

[quote]gramma of 2 said: "I heard yesterday that the 19 yr. old I was talking about with the medical problems was found dead in Mitchell sandpits."[/quote]

I would really like to know if this is true or not. Can anyone verify please?

atrusmmiii
atrusmmiii

Seriously!!!! Two girls are missing and we are having a theological debate. I could place a few comments on what is being discussed but I won't. We need to find these girls, and if someone wants to pray to god then let them. At least they are thinking about the girls instead of making arguments about God and creation.

takeastand
takeastand

Last heard they found the 19 yr old alive and well few days ago.

gramma of 2
gramma of 2

Amber Alert cannot be put out because there is no witnesses or description of a car, etc.

gottateachem
gottateachem

Gramma of 2 ....In regards to the missing 19 year old:
1. NO ONE was found dead in Mitchell Sand Pits. It was rope tied to a brick. Yes -weird - but not a body. 2. I believe (but could still be wrong) that he was located. And to address your comment gramma of 2 about why his disappearance was not all over the news - there is a HUGE difference between a 19 year old man with medical problems disappearing and two children disappearing. Before anyone says anything, I am in no way saying one is less important than another. All I am saying is that chances are greater that the 19 year old walked away of his own free will. An 8 yr old and a.10 yr old do not have the means to make the same choices an adult does, so when they disappear it's a little more evident that something prevented them from returning rather than them just choosing not to return like an adult could.

I truly hope all missing persons, regardless of their age, are returned home to their families.

LolaJ
LolaJ

[quote]kheagel . Also inform weigh ins for semis since the exit is closed and some have to detour through evansdale?"[/quote

but how could a detouring semi in dntn evansdale go UN Noticed-if out by the bike trail [where 2 bikes were found] even if driver took girls & bikes from behind Ledermans store dntn where girls were seen,

Jm
Jm

After much thought about where the bikes where left and why the purse was left behind. Is it not possible that the girls boarded a boat of some kind; and left the purse to mark the bikes location on the trail? That way they could return to the same spot and walk back to their bikes. I would also guess that one or both knew the person(s) with whom they left. Is there a way to check who uses boats on that lake?

chadfusa
chadfusa

JM - I thought of this last night as well. On Nancy Grace last night they proposed all of the theories they could think of, but they never mentioned a water abuction, Which actually does make the most sense of them all to me, the bikes are so far into the trail that it wouldn't make sense for someone to dump the bikes there and it didn't make sense why the girls would get separated from their bikes, thats why a water boat abduction makes the most sense, they were between the fence and the water at some point, it would make sense to leave their bikes and go for a boat ride, possibly with someone they knew and trusted, possibly someone who told the girls earlier they would be boating there and to come for a ride. They could have been in the boat for 20-40 minutes proof they weren't being supervised before deciding to go through with the abuction. If I were leading this charge, I'd run them sniffing dogs to any family and friends, heck, even anyone in the area that owned a boat and sniff them girls back to safety.

bubbly1
bubbly1

Gramma of 2, r u referring to the death/suicide in June?? There was a guy who hung himself out at the Mitchell Sandpits but he was 29 and not 19.

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]chadfusa said: "JohnDoe and IowanAtheist - At what point did we become enemies? These posts are about girls in trouble, I felt I had some insight and shared it, it still might be true, until it is proven false.

[/quote]

Correct, it might be true, but you have provided no reasonable justification for the search, so it's not constructive. I could claim they should search the area around Niagara Falls, and it would be just as insightful.

We are not enemies -- I think we are on the same side, and want those girls found sooner than later, and I think we are working towards the same goal -- you are proposing ideas of where to look, and we are trying to show you why you need more than a voice in your head telling you where to look.

[quote]

I also am a skeptic, to some extent of the bible, it's very hard to rightly divide it's meanings, it even says it was written in parable so that those who are on their way to destruction won't understand it.

[/quote]

Ah, so you believe that your god doesn't *want* to save people, then...

[quote]

And I understand Catholics chose the books that were to be included and we know they are wrong (I don't, just saying),

[/quote]

Actually, a group of Jewish scholars selected the books that make up the bible, based on what they saw christians using as holy materials around them, and what they felt was the *most* consistent selection. That is why books like the Gospel of Thomas was left out, since they directly contradict the other books, even though they may have been popular religious texts at the time.

[quote]

even Jesus had words to the effect that the bible is indeed intended to be Gods book.

[/quote]

Not quite true. The person *recording* what they were *told* Jesus said had those words. You have to remember that the earliest written gospels were recorded 60+ years after Jesus' death -- in a time period where the average life span was 30-40 years.

[quote]

As for the other matters, if you told me you went to see Niagra Falls, why should I doubt that Niagra Falls exists?

[/quote]

I'm not sure you should -- but if you did doubt me, we could take a trip to the library and find piles of scientific literature about it. If that was not enough, we can go look for ourselves. Not true on either count regarding religion.

[quote]

When I saw God there were no signs there at all,

[/quote]

Correct.

[quote]

I only know what I saw and I'm glad to testify about it. Even in death unbelievers still won't believe, just that they are in chains of darkness as the fallen angels, destined for judgment. Luke 16:31 "But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.'""[/quote]

FYI, using the bible to prove your point is silly -- non-christians recognize the bible is a flawed book full of contradictions and outright falsehoods. It's not a very impressive book to use as evidence.

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]meg said: "Seriously.........im sorry none of this is a joke......"[/quote]

You are right -- it's not a joke. They are legitimate questions and comments.

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]gottateachem said: "Gramma of 2 ....In regards to the missing 19 year old:1. NO ONE was found dead in Mitchell Sand Pits. It was rope tied to a brick. Yes -weird - but not a body. "[/quote]

That's actually not all that weird. I know a lot of people that have used similar things as anchors for boats or inflatable rafts.

onthebar
onthebar

I would like to praise the law enforcement people working on this case. Although they have been very little to go on, they are doing everything possible to continue to search vigorously.
Also, the local news teams have done a good job of reporting this story. I think we need to keep in mind that there is very little to go on which makes for a tough story to report. As of now, we are all looking for 2 girls and that is it. We don't know if they are in a car, in a home or woods, a body of water.

I just wish everyone could show the patience and class of the family involved. They are obviously trying their best to hold it together and trust in their faith and the professionals. We should all stop being critical and pointing fingers. That will not bring these girls back.

troutman92
troutman92

I don't mean to be insensitive, by any means, but just curious about the money being raised by the t-shirts and buttons are going to the family....for what? And account is setup @ some bank for the family, for what? Will they be charged for the police/FBI pay? or charged for draining and refilling the lake?

chadfusa
chadfusa

onthebar - Awesome Post!! Keep Posting!!

IowanAtheist - We are not enemies -- I think we are on the same side, and want those girls found sooner than later, and I think we are working towards the same goal -- you are proposing ideas of where to look, and we are trying to show you why you need more than a voice in your head telling you where to look. - Though it interesting that the site I pointed out is now part of the search zone, just saying.

concerned citizen1216
concerned citizen1216

I posted the following, but it seems appropriate here as well:

It seems to me after reading all of the posted comments, that Mr. "IowanAtheist" is simply out to stir up controversy and enjoys looking for hot-button and sensitive situations to inject his venom-laced tirades. There is really no substance to what he is saying, with the possible exception of the purpose to make people angry. The sooner he is ignored, the sooner he will simply go away and stop posting.

The sad part of his actions, is that he doesn't have the common sense and decency to realize that his words can be hurtful to a family and community that is reeling at a time like this. If you are trying to make a profound and logical argument Mr. Atheist, you would be better served to choose a venue and time that is not so sensitive. Otherwise, all you are doing is putting your foot in your mouth and making yourself sound like a jerk. (No, I didn't call you a jerk, I said you are making yourself sound like one.)

I have always believed in the old adage that says, "People who know the least, have the most to say." I believe you have proven that to be true!

chadfusa
chadfusa

Anyone seen this movie? I did when I was younger and I've always remembered it.

After telling Parnell that he wanted to go home many times during his first week with the man, Parnell told Steven that he had been granted legal custody of the boy because his parents could not afford so many children and that they did not want him anymore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Stayner

I was almost kidnapped in Waterloo Iowa, on my way home from school in or about 1983. Younger adults stopped in a an older car off the road from me and told me my mother had died and they would take me to her. I was freaked out by this news and just had to run home to see for myself. Sure enough my mother was alive, fixing her hair in the bathroom, she did not even realize I was almost kidnapped that day. I don't know what they had planned to do if I got in the car, but looking back, I probably wouldn't be here today. All I can guess is that they might have sold me for drug money.

tooconfused
tooconfused

[quote]troutman92 said: "I don't mean to be insensitive, by any means, but just curious about the money being raised by the t-shirts and buttons are going to the family....for what? And account is setup @ some bank for the family, for what? Will they be charged for the police/FBI pay? or charged for draining and refilling the lake? "[/quote]

I have the same concern. I can see money going to "up" the reward, or pay for some of the rescue services, but can't understand any other reasons for donations.

scooterbug
scooterbug

[quote]tooconfused said: "I have the same concern. I can see money going to "up" the reward, or pay for some of the rescue services, but can't understand any other reasons for donations."[/quote]

Don't donate if you have an issue with it. There. Problem solved.

Seriously do people have to find an issue with everything? No one is being made to do anything. If some people feel like give a monetary amount to the family, why is that a problem for you?

guestwriter
guestwriter

Please check all abandoned buildings schools in surrounding
waterloo....near an old well.

troutman92
troutman92

scooterbug....just tell me what they need the money for is all. That was all I was asking. You are correct, if people don't want to donate then don't. However, I never said I did not want to, or haven't. I wanted to know why the family needed donations: there are no medical costs, they are not displaced from their home (I don't think). I can understand if they are not working because of this emotional crisis (I would not be able to work) and need the financial support because of it. Just asking.

hdeen
hdeen

Only a blind person would not see that the girls voluntarily went with their abductor and this person was some one they knew.

Most likely scenario: The girls were lured to the lake, then taken away by car from the grass parking lot near the southeast corner of the lake. The draining of the lake is a boondoggle as is the dump search. Focus on family members, family friends, and persons familiar with the girls summer patterns and the case will be solved.

mlanosa
mlanosa

They couldn't do an Amber Alert, they really don't have information for one. Nobody saw anything. I personally think they should bring in a Psychic. There are Psychics out there who have helped police before and have been successful. If they were my children I would want any and all resources in finding them and a Psychic is a great tool for authorities to use. I certainly pray the girls are found alive, but we all know that the more time that goes by that the outcome is usually not good. This may be the case that the opposite will happen and they will come home to those who love them. I pray this is true.

scooterbug
scooterbug

[quote]troutman92 said: "scooterbug....just tell me what they need the money for is all. That was all I was asking. You are correct, if people don't want to donate then don't. However, I never said I did not want to, or haven't. I wanted to know why the family needed donations: there are no medical costs, they are not displaced from their home (I don't think). I can understand if they are not working because of this emotional crisis (I would not be able to work) and need the financial support because of it. Just asking. "[/quote]

I apologize. I've just read so many crappy, mean-spirited comments the last few days, and yours was neither. I don't know these people from Adam, but I'm feeling great compassion and a bit of protectiveness for them. I just really need to stop clicking on "comments". :) Have a good day.

Loodood
Loodood

Initially, I cursed those that pointed any finger at the parents involvement/knowledge/etc. However, then all the info about their sketchy past has come up and it changes things--it HAS to.

It explains partially why they were positive from the very beginning that the girls were not in the lake, and were calling it an abduction immediately. There had to be some coment made or something happen that triggered this instant reaction.

Not saying the parents "did' it, but I think their past has caught them in an awful way. Please let those girls come home safely and this was a big scare and biological father has now hit rock bottom with his life, knowing what his actions could possibly cause.

Lastly--why not more about the fact that the girls were missing just last week, or that Lyric was headed out the door just 2 days ago to RUN AWAY until the grandma stopped her? There is a lot of small things here that make this not such a simple case of "2 girls vanished for no reason out of nowhere".

Loodood
Loodood


mlanosa said on: July 19, 2012, 3:45 am
"They couldn't do an Amber Alert, they really don't have information for one. Nobody saw anything. I personally think they should bring in a Psychic. There are Psychics out there who have helped police before and have been successful. If they were my children I would want any and all resources in finding them and a Psychic is a great tool for authorities to use"

Are you serious??? Wow.

justme75
justme75

I agree about the psychic. It wouldn't hurt. In my opinion this was kind of backwards. They should have been stopping cars and brought the dogs in on the first day. Not waited until day 3 or 4 for that. Psychics have helped in cases before, why not give them a try.

chadfusa
chadfusa

GuestWriter - I'm in Waterloo and I'm free all day tomorrow to help out so just tell me where to look (I assume you have some good logic or spiritual connections to assume a well). I don't know of ANY abandonded wells at all.

Since the statistics are 85% that children are taken by someone they know you have to say, there is a strong chance that it has something to do with the family, statistically. I'm not saying the parents had anything to do with it directly, polygraphs prove that, but the circles we run in can and probably do have an impact on our lives in more ways then we'd like to admit.

Cheerleader
Cheerleader

Scooterbug92,
On the news I heard that the bank acct was set up at the bank to help the family through this, that the parents weren't working as this unfolds, etc and to help pay for expenses associated with finding the girls [the cynical side of me says they'll be given a bill from the city/fire dept for the efforts, but I hope they won't].

chadfusa
chadfusa

What is the money for? Primarily it's a reward for those that do the extra diligence and are able to find the girls. Though most people are and would do the work for free, and many companies have donated to the cause, you have those independant professionals that are working for hire, thats all they do. They have the equipment and skills necessary to do the job. Now in the event some lay person finds the girls before these professional types, then theyd get the money for their time. If the girls were easy to find they wouldn't be willing to pay $15 in reward money. The girls are lost, even after massive searching they can't be found. ANYONE and EVERYONE that has anything at all to contribute, should!!

starraider1999
starraider1999

i think the amber alert guidlines make no sense,in some cases where no car/suspect were seen and no amber alerts were issued some children had been seen and had infact been abucted,dont see what the harm woulda been putting an amber alert out with the girls fliers,if someone who hadnt known about this case woulda seen these girls/or suspect they wouldnt of known there was a prob,and whats the harm? woulda had opened up another oppurtunity JUST incase someone unaware had seen these kids,sorry think the cops bungled up this,to worried about the parents past,they sent home volunteers sheesh 1,900 during the weekend coulda been well used LIKE helping going thru garbage landfills,on atvs in diff search groups in diff parts of the countie,seems the more people looking in the beginning woulda helped alot more now its only the police/fbi/divers..cops shoulda kept anyone volunteers that were wanting to help,as many days now has passed it seems like there will be a sad ending to this story,prayers for the families and for those 2 little girls!

first amendment
first amendment

[quote]starraider1999 said: "i think the amber alert guidlines make no sense,in some cases where no car/suspect were seen and no amber alerts were issued some children had been seen and had infact been abucted,dont see what the harm woulda been putting an amber alert out with the girls fliers,if someone who hadnt known about this case woulda seen these girls/or suspect they wouldnt of known there was a prob,and whats the harm? woulda had opened up another oppurtunity JUST incase someone unaware had seen these kids,sorry think the cops bungled up this,to worried about the parents past,they sent home volunteers sheesh 1,900 during the weekend coulda been well used LIKE helping going thru garbage landfills,on atvs in diff search groups in diff parts of the countie,seems the more people looking in the beginning woulda helped alot more now its only the police/fbi/divers..cops shoulda kept anyone volunteers that were wanting to help,as many days now has passed it seems like there will be a sad ending to this story,prayers for the families and for those 2 little girls!"[/quote]

I'll take a crack at this. You seem to forget that this is not the only case of missing girls in the country that has ever happen. Heck, its not even the only case of miss children in the country right now. You think that an Amber Alert should have been put out for this case. Well, if we do it for this case then we better do it for all of the other cases as well, right? The more Amber Alerts you put out the less impact it will have because people will just stop paying attention to the alerts. That's why there is specific information required, instead of a general "be on the lookout for these kids".

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]chadfusa said: "onthebar - Awesome Post!! Keep Posting!!IowanAtheist - We are not enemies -- I think we are on the same side, and want those girls found sooner than later, and I think we are working towards the same goal -- you are proposing ideas of where to look, and we are trying to show you why you need more than a voice in your head telling you where to look. - Though it interesting that the site I pointed out is now part of the search zone, just saying."[/quote]

It's now part of the search zone because they increased the size of the search zone after not finding anything in the more likely areas. Even if they found something in the area you suggested, your suggestion did not include rational for increasing the priority of that area above any other area.

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]guestwriter said: "Please check all abandoned buildings schools in surrounding waterloo....near an old well."[/quote]

... huh?

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]mlanosa said: "They couldn't do an Amber Alert, they really don't have information for one. Nobody saw anything. I personally think they should bring in a Psychic. There are Psychics out there who have helped police before and have been successful. If they were my children I would want any and all resources in finding them and a Psychic is a great tool for authorities to use. I certainly pray the girls are found alive, but we all know that the more time that goes by that the outcome is usually not good. This may be the case that the opposite will happen and they will come home to those who love them. I pray this is true."[/quote]

This is false. There is no recorded case of psychics actually helping in a case, as there is no evidence that psychics are any better than random chance. In study after study, time after time, psychics are shown to be frauds or falsely believing in their own powers. Suggestions like this are harmful, as you are advocating wasting limited resources chasing ghosts.

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]justme75 said: "I agree about the psychic. It wouldn't hurt.
[/quote]

Yes, yes it can hurt. When you are wasting time chasing down the guesses of a psychic, you are wasting someones time that could be used doing something *not* completely and totally debunked.

[quote]

In my opinion this was kind of backwards. They should have been stopping cars and brought the dogs in on the first day. Not waited until day 3 or 4 for that. Psychics have helped in cases before, why not give them a try. "[/quote]

No. They have not. Let's see some citations for these absurd claims. Psychics have *never* been shown to be any more accurate than random chance -- which is substantially less effective than even mediocre police work.

IowanAtheist
IowanAtheist

[quote]Cheerleader said: "Scooterbug92, On the news I heard that the bank acct was set up at the bank to help the family through this, that the parents weren't working as this unfolds, etc and to help pay for expenses associated with finding the girls [the cynical side of me says they'll be given a bill from the city/fire dept for the efforts, but I hope they won't]. "[/quote]

Depends on the results of the search. If, and I am not saying they will be, the parents are found to be withholding information, then they better be charged for this.

If they are simply innocent victims, then no -- they should not be charged -- that's what taxes and the police force are *for*.

troutman92
troutman92

I know what reward money is. My question is the money from the buttons, the money from the shirts, the bank account setup, the fundraiser is NOT going to the reward....it's going into an account for the family. WHY? Someone suggested to me to pay a debt. Pay the debt, get the girls back.
I would certainly hope this NOT to be true. But, if every scenario needs to ne explored.

bigblklady
bigblklady

The thing with a physic is that- well I have heard from 3 different ones now with 3 different sights.

Abandoned school by old well.....

in the basement of a grey house......

and in a cabin........


I am totally down for spending some of my time to help search. But I do not want to go on wild goose chases for nothing.

But if somebody does put a search together please let me know! pigglewiggle2002@yahoo.com

Thanks!

Oh and if you guys have not seen already- there are a few facebook pages out there to help these girls. Some are a little whacked in my opinion with power trips- BUT anyways there is a group that is selling buttons, t-shirts, and other stuff :)

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