WATERLOO, Iowa --- Allen Hospital officials deny any pattern of unlawful racial discrimination but said the $2 million class action suit settled Tuesday will allow the organization to rectify any isolated instances.

"We are doing this because we think it is the right thing for everybody involved," said Jim Waterbury, a spokesman for the hospital. "Litigation is very expensive and would take several more years. We think it would be divisive in the community and that is not what we want to be."

Robyn Meeks, a 36-year-old nurse, filed the suit in December 2010 after Allen turned her down for a number of openings. The lawsuit claims the hospital discriminated against African-American employees and blacks who were seeking jobs.

"Personnel changed at Allen and as a result efforts were made almost from the very beginning to resolve this case," said Roxanne Conlin, who represented Meeks. "It took about six months to get the case resolved ... I give Allen every good faith. I believe they have acted appropriately with respect to this."

The $2 million fund - one-third of which will go toward legal fees - will pay eligible claimants who were harassed or denied promotions or jobs because of their race. Meeks will receive $10,000. All other claimants who believe they were discriminated against between Nov. 25, 2008 and Tuesday will have six months to file the necessary paperwork.

All claims will be reviewed by Steve Sesterhenn, the hospital's human resource director, and Quintin Hart, a city council member and mayor pro-tem.

Conlin said at least five or six other people have come forward. She was unsure how many more may try to claim part of the settlement.

Waterbury said Sesterhenn will lead the charge to sort through the approximately 14,000 online applications filed during the three year time period, however race is not a question on the application.

The hospital will also advertise in The Courier and on KBBG radio to try and reach out to those who might be eligible for some of the money. Judge Todd Geer will help make the final monetary determinations.

"This is not a typical settlement," Waterbury said. "Any money dispersed has yet to be awarded other than the $10,000 to Robyn Meeks. Any money that remains when the process is complete will be donated to a local non profit.

As part of the settlement, Allen will be required to provide equal opportunity training to all managers and form an Employment Fairness Committee to investigate discrimination and harassment claims.

"My goal was to be able to help others out through my actions and to make sure it wouldn't happen to anyone else again," said Meeks, who was reinstated as a RN coordinator at the Allen Neurology Center on Dec. 19.

Those who believe they have been discriminated against can contact Conlin's office at (515) 283-1111 or by sending an email to roxlaw@aol.com.

 

EARLIER STORY

By JEFF REINITZ

jeff.reinitz@wcfcourier.com

WATERLOO, Iowa --- Allen Hospital is slated to agree to a $2 million settlement in a class-action lawsuit that claimed the hospital discriminated against African-American employees and blacks who were seeking jobs.

Robyn Meeks, a 36-year-old nurse, filed the suit in December 2010 after Allen turned her down for a number of openings.

And today Allen officials are slated to sign a settlement decree to bring the case to a close.

Allen agreed to settle the matter early in the case, said attorney Roxanne Conlin, who represented Meeks.

"All Allen wanted to do was make things right with the African-American community," Conlin said.

Under the agreement, Allen doesn't admit to any wrongdoing but agrees to establish a $2 million fund to pay eligible claimants who were harassed or denied promotions or jobs because of their race.

Meeks is to be rehired with back pay and receive a $10,000 payment plus an amount for emotional distress.

In addition to Meeks, five or six other plaintiffs have come forward, although they weren't named in the original petition, Conlin said.

Other employees or applicants may be eligible to receive a share of the $2 million pool.

Members of the class include African-Americans who applied for Allen jobs or promotions on or after Nov. 25, 2008, and were denied or African-American employees who were allegedly harassed, disciplined or fired.

As part of the settlement, Allen will be required to provide equal opportunity training to all managers and form an Employment Fairness Committee to investigate discrimination and harassment claims.

According to court records, Meeks earned a master of science in nursing degree from Allen College in 2003.

She worked at the hospital as a student nurse in the late 1990s and then became a registered nurse at Allen in 2000.

She filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in 2002 alleging she had been denied a position because of her race. The matter wasn't resolved, and Meeks left in 2003.

In August 2009, she returned and applied at Allen, seeking jobs including house supervisor, staff nurse, and staff intensive care nurse, staff cardiac rehab nurse and skilled nursing floor nurse. A month later, she applied for a nursing job in the operating room.

During one of the interviews, a staff member referred to her 2002 EEOC complaint and characterized her as a "troublemaker," according to the lawsuit.

She wasn't hired, and the jobs were given to less-qualified white applicants, court records state.

One of the people who interviewed Meeks suggested she apply at Covenant Medical Center and gave her Covenant's human resources phone number, records state.

 

 

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(89) comments

wloofan2000
wloofan2000

Maybe they didn't hire her because she's a pain in the butt and they didn't want to deal with the headache. Or maybe her references were sub par. Or maybe her college GPA was too low. Pretty hard to prove it was due to race.

Captian Bruisin'
Captian Bruisin'

[quote]wloofan2000 said: "Maybe they didn't hire her because she's a pain in the butt and they didn't want to deal with the headache. Or maybe her references were sub par. Or maybe her college GPA was too low. Pretty hard to prove it was due to race. "[/quote]

That's the point... poor performers use the system all the time to claim discrimination. Insurance companies don't want to risk going to a jury of idiots, so they settle. It's cheaper.

In the end, businesses are discouraged from hiring from protected classes. The system designed by the government to help, actually FAILS yet again. Imagine that? You can't legislate morality.

reojoe
reojoe

Then just like Herman Libya Cain, they shouldn't have paid the settlement and should have fought it.

Settlement = guilt.

cvrider
cvrider

And Roxanne Conlin gets richer and richer.

Burt
Burt

[quote]cvrider said: "And Roxanne Conlin gets richer and richer. "[/quote]

Amen. Something wrong when she gets more than the aggreived party. While running for governor, Roxanne ranted about those nasty health care companies overcharging. She should donate a major portion of her fees back to Allen to help them lower health costs.

areu4real
areu4real

Wloofan2000,
maybe you can't accept the fact that blacks and other minorities continue to be discrimanated against. College GPA not high enough, I don't think so.....
According to court records, Meeks earned a master of science in nursing degree from Allen College in 2003. Maybe she was a pain because she stood up for herself when treated wrong.
Allen settled out of court for 2 million, they know something needs to be fixed, and you continue to make excuses.
Bringing the gift her ancestors gave, Robyn Meeks is the hope and dream of the slave. She rise she rise, she rise!!!!!!!!!!!

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]Captian Bruisin' said: "That's the point... poor performers use the system all the time to claim discrimination. Insurance companies don't want to risk going to a jury of idiots, so they settle. It's cheaper.In the end, businesses are discouraged from hiring from protected classes. The system designed by the government to help, actually FAILS yet again. Imagine that? You can't legislate morality."[/quote]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

point of view
point of view

Once again, my comment isn't posted. I knew Waterbury reached to the KWWL news but the Courier, too?

ou812yes
ou812yes

Having all the education and degrees in the world Doesn't qualify you as a good worker. Big Difference.

whateveruthink
whateveruthink

My wife's a nurse and been trying to get hired at Allen for years. She's a Caucasian women, maybe we should file a class action suit also.

Captian Bruisin'
Captian Bruisin'

[quote]reojoe said: "Then just like Herman Libya Cain, they shouldn't have paid the settlement and should have fought it.Settlement = guilt."[/quote]

100% false... Even Roxanne Conlin would tell you that.

Captian Bruisin'
Captian Bruisin'

[quote]areu4real said: "Wloofan2000,maybe you can't accept the fact that blacks and other minorities continue to be discrimanated against. College GPA not high enough, I don't think so..... According to court records, Meeks earned a master of science in nursing degree from Allen College in 2003. Maybe she was a pain because she stood up for herself when treated wrong.Allen settled out of court for 2 million, they know something needs to be fixed, and you continue to make excuses.Bringing the gift her ancestors gave, Robyn Meeks is the hope and dream of the slave. She rise she rise, she rise!!!!!!!!!!! "[/quote]

The hope and dream of the slave is to get a settlement from an insurance company? WOW!

valdez 500
valdez 500

[quote]wloofan2000 said: "Maybe they didn't hire her because she's a pain in the butt and they didn't want to deal with the headache. Or maybe her references were sub par. Or maybe her college GPA was too low. Pretty hard to prove it was due to race. "[/quote]

Yeah...Pretty hard to prove that it wasnt due to race with the Master of Nursing Degree she has and Allen settling for millions.I hope this lawsuit open up everyones eyes that there are qualified African Americans within the great Cedar Valley!! Congratulations Robyn for standing tall and to everyone else who comes forward!!

valdez 500
valdez 500

[quote]Captian Bruisin' said: "The hope and dream of the slave is to get a settlement from an insurance company? WOW! "[/quote]

No..the hope and dream is to to get treated fairly like everyone else!!! That is still a work in progress as you just read in this article, if you havent been mistreated due to your race you have the slightest idea of how it feels until you walk in those shoes!! Its not about the money it is all about the principal!!

Dave88
Dave88

One thing this lawsuit will accomplish is higher healthcare costs for everyone. My understanding of this is anyone who is not white can potentially collect from this fund if they applied for a job at Allen and did not get hired. If this particular person was discriminated against fine then take care of her reasonably. Two million dollars to hundreds of people just because they didn't get hired? These types of lawsuits are killing this country. This is what we get when we vote Lawers in to positions of power.

simmonseyz
simmonseyz

It isn't a secret amongst African American that Iowa is one of the racist states ever statically with Waterloo being the worst city to partake in this act. The National average for businesses own by African American grew by 61% while Iowa is less than 1%. When it come to fair income the average educated person paid white Iowan makes about 36,000 where the average educated Black Iowan don’t make $25,000. Just look at the fact that this city hasn’t had a real economic boom in North Side of Water in 35 years. If racism doesn’t have anything to do w/ it I don’t know what does. What W’loo African American needs to do is stop spending our money in this community until we actually get some equal rights in this city and economic growth (Something Dr. King was fighting for over 40 years ago). I just hope the remainder of the money left over will go to something that can benefit the North Side of Waterloo like the unsupported Waterloo African American Museum.

eliza_50648
eliza_50648

I have applied for multiple positions within my present company, but never get hired. Wonder if it's because I'm fat, I'm white, I'm female, or because of the disiplinary notes in my employment record...?

skilledlabor
skilledlabor

[quote]simmonseyz said: "It isn't a secret amongst African American that Iowa is one of the racist states ever statically with Waterloo being the worst city to partake in this act. The National average for businesses own by African American grew by 61% while Iowa is less than 1%. When it come to fair income the average educated person paid white Iowan makes about 36,000 where the average educated Black Iowan don’t make $25,000. Just look at the fact that this city hasn’t had a real economic boom in North Side of Water in 35 years. If racism doesn’t have anything to do w/ it I don’t know what does. What W’loo African American needs to do is stop spending our money in this community until we actually get some equal rights in this city and economic growth (Something Dr.
King was fighting for over 40 years ago). I just hope the remainder of the money left over will go to something that can benefit the North Side of Waterloo like the unsupported Waterloo African American Museum. "[/quote]

More African Americans will own businesses when they buy them. How is it racism when a race doesn't buy a business? There are many for sale North of the river and all over town. Simply buy them, don't sit on the sidelines and complain that no Africa Americans own them.

PragmaticThinker
PragmaticThinker

[quote]wloofan2000 said: "Maybe they didn't hire her because she's a pain in the butt and they didn't want to deal with the headache. Or maybe her references were sub par. Or maybe her college GPA was too low. Pretty hard to prove it was due to race. "[/quote]

Or maybe she was the kind of person who looks good on paper (masters in nursing) but doesn't interview well. I have worked with people whose credentials sound very impressive until they speak.

It says that her 2002 EEOC complaint "wasn't resolved". Does this mean that they found that the lack of promotion was not racially motivated? If you knew that someone was very likely to complain about you if you hire them, would you choose them?

Racism does exist, but this is probably not a case of it. What scares me is because of this lawsuit, the hospital will be feeling pressure to hire the African American applicants even if they may not be the most qualified, for fear of another lawsuit. This affects me because it means that I may not be getting the best health care available because one person was bitter that she didn't get the job. It's much easier at the end of the day to blame it on your race rather than on your personality.

avee
avee

This is really sad. Allen has been the one bright spot on the north side for decades. They have committed tens of millions of dollars to development and employment at their location and done everything possible to spur other development in the area. Without Allen there would be no Walgreens, Hy Vee, Doctors offices or prospect of future development. This two million dollars is not being paid by Allen. At least half is being paid for by taxpayers (Medicare & Medicaid) and half being paid for by working people with insurance who struggle to pay their increasing insurance premiums. This is just another shakedown of a good company in our community. We will never hear about the threats to Allen if they didn’t give this attorney and her client(s) money. Makes me sick!

I Scream In The Sun
I Scream In The Sun

Is the problem racism, or just race? We will not reach true equality until a day when people can no longer even claim discrimination based on race, any more than they could claim discrimination based on height. First racist discrimination must be ended, but following that, it must get to the point where racism cannot even reasonably be claimed. Right now we probably have racist discrimination in workplaces 95% eliminated, but the claims of it reflect more than this. Tough to articulate this... it's like saying "Well, we will stop discriminating now. In exchange, no more threatening to claim discrimination if you don't get preferential treatment". It's like if a friend gets set up on a blind date, and then finds out the person is of another race... and is also just totally not their type, now they face the dilemma that they cannot simply turn them down without facing the accusations of "It's because I'm black?!" which to an extent almost puts the victim group in control here. Just like in a fight between a man and a woman, they will always believe the woman's story as she is categorically the victim, here minorities are allowed a power to get what they want or threaten calling racism.

simmonseyz
simmonseyz

[quote]skilledlabor said: "More African Americans will own businesses when they buy them. How is it racism when a race doesn't buy a business? There are many for sale North of the river and all over town. Simply buy them, don't sit on the sidelines and complain that no Africa Americans own them."[/quote]
Many African American thrive to own business everyday but opportunity is not here (Waterloo) for them. They receive lots of rejection especially when they are trying to do something positive within predominate African American community. Here thing I just watch the city spend a million dollars on buy farm land in the name of economic development on the West side of Waterloo. I have seen them do for the East side Waterloo unless it was for down town. In fact look how they continue their downtown initiative to the Grout Museum but stop it at Franklin on the East Side. Shouldn’t people be question how the Iowa Dot can buy over 40 something home for less than what the city paid for 20 archers of land? I personally can give you several examples of African Americans that are business owners and doing better for themselves for the simple fact they left Waterloo b/c there isn’t any opportunity here for blacks in Iowa.Look how the city is dragging their feet on the fact that the EMA wants to purchase dilapidated houses on the East-side and fix them for home ownership. When some kid from out of state propose they sell some to him for rental properties it was on the cites agenda in a week. The city doesn’t think we are watching and taking notice of the unjust they put blacks through but we are. Personally I think it is time for them to start standing up for themselves.

From Waterloo
From Waterloo

OH FOR PETE'S SAKE, GIVE ME A BREAK! Slavery.........really. that is such a lame card to keep playing! If you don't like this country, state or community move to another country. When you come back and can appreciate the good old USA, then fine. How can something soooooo long ago continue to be used against ANY american. Not a single person living in America now has ever been a slave and that argument needs to have stopped long ago......

On the count of racism, sure it still exists but so do POOR quality workers who use these tactics to bully their way forward in life! Stand strong on your own merit and succeed, or suffer getting passed over for promotions or even hired!

With regard to businesses or business owners north of the river. Set out and start some businesses! There are blocks of empty land along E 4th street which is a highly traveled commercial route. I would wish you the best of success to stimulate the economy.

4 The Loo
4 The Loo

When will people realize that their actions are what causes them to be discriminated against???

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]Captian Bruisin' said: "100% false... Even Roxanne Conlin would tell you that. "[/quote]

Nonsense.

If you're innocent, you fight it until the end.

You settle, you're guilty.

reojoe
reojoe

And regressive republicans wonder why the racist tag follows them everywhere they go, folks?

These posts ought to give a LITTLE clue as to why this tag keeps resurfacing. This is actually disturbing to read...

iowa41
iowa41

I used to work with a guy who had a great resume and had numerous degrees.But after spending 5 minutes with him you were ready to tear your hair out,he had no common sense and never followed through on projects ,never paid attention to detail.Anybody can get a degree if they go to school long enough,a lack of cooperation and listening skills will negate anything that she did in a classroom.

reojoe
reojoe

Do others find it curious that the possibility that her claims are legitimate (sounds pretty valid to me, especially when there are such HUGE shortages of nurses right now) is not even being entertained in this "discussion?" Rather, she has to be lying, and the hospital, although essentially admitting guilt by settling, could never be discriminating?

Nice to see that racism has been wiped off the face of the earth, as Sean McVeigh Hannity says, eh, folks?

Daveb47
Daveb47

[quote]valdez 500 said: "No..the hope and dream is to to get treated fairly like everyone else!!! That is still a work in progress as you just read in this article, if you havent been mistreated due to your race you have the slightest idea of how it feels until you walk in those shoes!! Its not about the money it is all about the principal!!"[/quote]


I feel your pain on this. Me and others were passed over for a city job years past. They instead hired a minority and a female. I feel the best most qualified people should be hired/promoted period, but I guess discriminating against someone because of their race and gender is o.k. when you call it affirmitive action.

CornellU
CornellU

Reojoe said: If you're innocent, you fight it until the end.
You settle, you're guilty.

You obviously have never been in a court room. I am sure in your classroom this is how it works but in the real world companies settle all the time as it is very time consuming and costly to fight a long drawn out legal system. I would suggest you do some research on this before spouting off.


waterloo1982
waterloo1982

[quote]wloofan2000 said: "Maybe they didn't hire her because she's a pain in the butt and they didn't want to deal with the headache. Or maybe her references were sub par. Or maybe her college GPA was too low. Pretty hard to prove it was due to race. "[/quote]

Well said. I have worked at Allen for 10 years, and just because someone has a degree, does not make them a good nurse.

avee
avee

In performance of a job, attitude is more important than aptitude. People can learn a job or get educated for a job and if they got a crappy attitude, managers will not want you because it’s infectious and can ruin a department or even a company. The problem is that attitude can be very hard to document and in cases like this documentation is everything. If this person was nasty to superiors, coworkers and patients but no documentation in her file you have no choice but to settle.
BTW—are the nurses at Allen unionized? If so, where is the union?

takeastand
takeastand

First to those who are not paying attention !! She has been working at Allen hospital for years. She filed suit because they did not let her promote. So pay attention it was not because they would not hire her. That was a factor yes but not for her.

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]CornellU said: "Reojoe said: If you're innocent, you fight it until the end.You settle, you're guilty.You obviously have never been in a court room. I am sure in your classroom this is how it works but in the real world companies settle all the time as it is very time consuming and costly to fight a long drawn out legal system. I would suggest you do some research on this before spouting off."[/quote]

That's the emptiest "argument" that I've ever heard.

The hospital's court and attorney costs would come nowhere close to what they paid in this settlement. Companies don't like it going into the courts because of the truth that would come out in the court, Rush. ;)

As I said, if you're innocent, you fight it, tooth and nail.

cubbies08
cubbies08

Reojoe are you an Attorney? Have you ever litigated for a company? I didn't think so. Crawl back to your sterile classroom and take a nap.

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]cubbies08 said: "Reojoe are you an Attorney? Have you ever litigated for a company? I didn't think so. Crawl back to your sterile classroom and take a nap."[/quote]

Do I have to had litigated a case to know when (1) discrimination is discrimination or (2) to know that settlement = guilt?

So, ah, Rush, are YOU an attorney?

That's what I thought... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PragmaticThinker
PragmaticThinker

[quote]takeastand said: "First to those who are not paying attention !! She has been working at Allen hospital for years. She filed suit because they did not let her promote. So pay attention it was not because they would not hire her. That was a factor yes but not for her."[/quote]

Not accurate. The article states that she worked at Allen and left in 2003. She returned (to the area????) in 2009 and applied for several jobs, for which she was not hired. Part of the settlement is that she was "rehired" with back pay. Rehired doesn't seem like the right word to me, since she left voluntarily 6 years earlier. She interviewed and didn't get the job(s), so she sued and forced them to not only give her a job BUT to pay her for the months that she didn't work for them.

I am sure that all the management and her coworkers are walking on eggshells around her. If I were the person hiring, I wouldn't have hired someone who left the organization willingly after proving that they are prone to serious complaints when they don't get their way. There is no law stating that a job HAS to go to the "most qualified" person. There are so many factors beyond degrees and certificates. This will affect the work environment for everyone around her, and it's not fair.

Legal fees were already at over $600,000. That doesn't count Allen's legal fees. Unfortunately, something like racism (or lack of) is a hard thing to prove or disprove. By the time it could have gone to trial, fees could have easily gone over 2 million, and a jury might not have agreed with them anyway. I don't blame them for settling. It was potentially cheaper in the long run.

bigmitch
bigmitch

So, anybody that applied for a job there can no get part of the 2 million. but only if you are black. that is B.S.

timbrackett
timbrackett

The important thing to remember is that zero racism exists in our present-day society. Zero! As in none! There is no racism. To disagree is to have your head in the sand (and to hate traditional American values). There is no more racism. It is fact! None. Racism is dead. No member of the majority race ever discriminates against any minority. Ever.
There, I said it enough that it became true. Regardless of the facts.
If you keep repeating things, they become true.

timbrackett
timbrackett

[quote]4 The Loo said: "When will people realize that their actions are what causes them to be discriminated against??? "[/quote]

???

KeepHopeAlive
KeepHopeAlive

Boy o boy.........you can't fix stupid, dumb is trainable. Some of the postings are just asinine. Common sense absents, reverting to character assassination and assumptions. Are we really in 2012? For all of those who has a vested interest in Allen and refusal to believe that racism exists in this business are sure to keep their heads in the sand. Regardless of color, the refusal to hire a more qualified individual over a new graduate with no experience is just wrong. If this individual was not qualified and you would hold to your principles............why hire her.......if you wanted to just sweep it under the rug (to cut your losses) why publicize...........they got caught and will have to pay.

Keep thinking the money mentioned is all they are out of and while you are at it, blow the sand out of your right nostril, it has surely traveled to your brain.

bigblklady
bigblklady

Do you know how many times I have applied to Allen since May 2010 and now? And turned down? It has NOTHING to do with her being black!!!
It makes me very upset when people use their race for stuff like this. Scream equality and then turn around and use your race as an advantage point!
So is there some way that I can get some of this money too? I still have active applications in there. I have had interviews. There are so many people who apply there, they can only pick for their open positions!

bigblklady
bigblklady

p.s. I think Allen should have fought it. Even if it did take a few years! Somebody needs to stand up for themselves. Now how many more lawsuit will pop up screaming racism?

bigblklady
bigblklady

[quote]reojoe said: "Do others find it curious that the possibility that her claims are legitimate (sounds pretty valid to me, especially when there are such HUGE shortages of nurses right now) is not even being entertained in this "discussion?" Rather, she has to be lying, and the hospital, although essentially admitting guilt by settling, could never be discriminating?Nice to see that racism has been wiped off the face of the earth, as Sean McVeigh Hannity says, eh, folks?"[/quote]

Really? There is a huge shortage of nurses right now? hmmm I did not realize this I guess! I personally disagree with your statement.

bigblklady
bigblklady

One last comment. When I worked at a nursing home, I had to orientate some of the new people. While some people have the books smarts, they lack common sense. I had one girl who was going to school to be a LPN, she said to me, " Oh my gosh- do I really have to TOUCH the dentures?" Um yes, you have to touch the dentures to clean them- unless you have some sort of magic!

I had a person who no matter how many times I would tell them the same thing, it just did not click! VERY inappropriate comments to family members and other staff. This person I had to write up- it was a THREE PAGE write up! (And no I do not babble on my write up like on here.) But this person became a nurse shortly after being wrote up. Went to an interview and was flirting and asked out HR!

I am telling you, just because you have the paper- does not mean ANYTHING! I would not hire either one of these people. I would hire somebody with 10 years experience with common sense and no paper before these people!!!

Ok, I am done ranting. Sorry for the multiple posts.

Remember....we are consumers and we have a choice. If a hospital is forced to hire a medical provider that they didn't feel was the best candidate at the time of the interview, is that who I want delivering medical care to my family? Probably not. I want medical providers that are dedicated to getting my family members back home, not medical providers that have a sense of entitlement about themselves.

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]bigblklady said: "Really? There is a huge shortage of nurses right now? hmmm I did not realize this I guess! I personally disagree with your statement."[/quote]

Seriously?!

We can't pump them out of our colleges fast enough to meet the need and demand. Keep in mind that our society is getting older, if that should serve as any clue to the need.

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]timbrackett said: "The important thing to remember is that zero racism exists in our present-day society. Zero! As in none! There is no racism. To disagree is to have your head in the sand (and to hate traditional American values). There is no more racism. It is fact! None. Racism is dead. No member of the majority race ever discriminates against any minority. Ever.There, I said it enough that it became true. Regardless of the facts. If you keep repeating things, they become true."[/quote]

Once again, Tim is the ONLY voice of reason on here.

It HAS been wiped of of the face of the earth. Happened the day after the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964.

cubbies08
cubbies08

Reojoe you are like a car crash. I know I shouldn't slow down and look but it is just one of those things you can't help but do. If you are a teacher, suspect at best, I pity your classes. I know in my undergrad and masters work I never had a prof with your attitude but that is neither here or there.
Let me reach out one more time.

Court costs are expensive. Companies have to pay for lawyers to go through a whole trial. This adds to their bill and things can add up fast. Often, it is cheaper just to settle than to fight things out.
Companies want to limit risk. They are in business to make money and want to pay out as little as possible. If they allow a case to go before a jury, they lose total control and a sympathetic jury may award a huge award for the plaintiff that the company may get stuck with.
Then there is the whole image thing. It is much easier to settle quietly then have a long drawn out battle that you may lose. A local hospital does not want bad pub.
Now with that being said I am not saying Allen might not have been guilty. I am just disputing your statement that they must be because they settled.
I will ask you this question...She settled as well. If she really knew she was discriminated against why not take it to court and fight for more? Why settle if she is in the right.

Captian Bruisin'
Captian Bruisin'

[quote]reojoe said: "That's the emptiest "argument" that I've ever heard. The hospital's court and attorney costs would come nowhere close to what they paid in this settlement. Companies don't like it going into the courts because of the truth that would come out in the court, Rush. ;) As I said, if you're innocent, you fight it, tooth and nail. "[/quote]

Like any liberal elitist... You NEVER let fact and reason cloud effect personal opinion! Just continue to talk down to people and call them racist. That solves the race problem as far as the liberal is concerned.

Captian Bruisin'
Captian Bruisin'

[quote]timbrackett said: "The important thing to remember is that zero racism exists in our present-day society. Zero! As in none! There is no racism. To disagree is to have your head in the sand (and to hate traditional American values). There is no more racism. It is fact! None. Racism is dead. No member of the majority race ever discriminates against any minority. Ever.There, I said it enough that it became true. Regardless of the facts. If you keep repeating things, they become true."[/quote]

AND... NO one ever abuses the system. EVER! If the charge of racism is leveled, it's ALWAYS true. An African American person would NEVER trivialize something like THIS for the own PERSONAL gain. Further, NO member of the minority race would ever be vengeful. NOR would they ever have personal shortcomings that might effect their job performance. Any personal failures are the responsibility of OTHERS, particularly those who are the MAJORITY.

I just love the high and mighty white liberals... they have done so much for minorities. They call people racist, they lay blame, they champion government assistance, they dole out crumbs of mercy and most of all they provide lip service. The value they provide to minorities is overwhelming!!!

gkb32
gkb32

"The lawsuit claims the hospital discriminated against African-American employees and blacks who were seeking jobs."

So am I to assume that there are no African-Americans or Blacks on staff at Allen? If none were ever hired, then I'd agree there must be discrimination. Or did they only discriminate against certain blacks? Is that possible? I'm confused.

Also, the article says "....African-American employees and blacks......". I'm confused again. Aren't blacks also African-Americans? And African-Americans also black? Why the "and"?

Oh, and I do agree with Joe. I say fight tooth and nail too if you are innocent. If you did nothing wrong, you fight any charges against you. You don't "plea" or "settle". If I were accused of a crime that I 100% did not do, I don't plea to a lesser charge. I fight the charges.

From Waterloo
From Waterloo

This is a PRIME case of reverse racism! Badgering institutions and businesses is a prace that minorities have down to a science. The behaviors are engrained in to the youth from when they are little that entitlements should given along the way. Why does America have to be a welfare society? Waterloo is so full of bottom feeders who drain the system! Why would the lawsuit be advertised on KGGB radio, what about the rest of Waterloo's news media (radio stations)?

I think the plan is for institutions and corporations to run scared and be badgered by stupid lawsuits. I bet the employee who sued had an interesting work history and was genuinely not suitable for the promotion?

whateveruthink
whateveruthink

[quote]reojoe said: "Seriously?!We can't pump them out of our colleges fast enough to meet the need and demand. Keep in mind that our society is getting older, if that should serve as any clue to the need."[/quote]

You are wrong, wrong, wrong Joe, we have four schools pumping out nurses in the area, Allen, Hawkeye, Kaplan and UNI. There may be a shortage of nurses nationwide but there are too many nurses and too few openings in the Waterloo/Cedar Falls area.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]cubbies08 said: "Reojoe you are like a car crash. I know I shouldn't slow down and look but it is just one of those things you can't help but do. If you are a teacher, suspect at best, I pity your classes. I know in my undergrad and masters work I never had a prof with your attitude but that is neither here or there. Let me reach out one more time.Court costs are expensive. Companies have to pay for lawyers to go through a whole trial. This adds to their bill and things can add up fast. Often, it is cheaper just to settle than to fight things out. Companies want to limit risk. They are in business to make money and want to pay out as little as possible. If they allow a case to go before a jury, they lose total control and a sympathetic jury may award a huge award for the plaintiff that the company may get stuck with.Then there is the whole image thing. It is much easier to settle quietly then have a long drawn out battle that you may lose. A local hospital does not want bad pub.Now with that being said I am not saying Allen might not have been guilty. I am just disputing your statement that they must be because they settled. I will ask you this question...She settled as well. If she really knew she was discriminated against why not take it to court and fight for more? Why settle if she is in the right. "[/quote]

OK, let me try again: What conclusion did you draw when Michael Jackson settled with his accusers?

Case rested, Rush.

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]Captian Bruisin' said: "AND... NO one ever abuses the system. EVER! If the charge of racism is leveled, it's ALWAYS true. An African American person would NEVER trivialize something like THIS for the own PERSONAL gain. Further, NO member of the minority race would ever be vengeful. NOR would they ever have personal shortcomings that might effect their job performance. Any personal failures are the responsibility of OTHERS, particularly those who are the MAJORITY.I just love the high and mighty white liberals... they have done so much for minorities. They call people racist, they lay blame, they champion government assistance, they dole out crumbs of mercy and most of all they provide lip service. The value they provide to minorities is overwhelming!!!"[/quote]

As I said earlier, there's a reason why the racist tag seems to follow regressives around everywhere they go.

You gave perfect evidence of it.

valdez 500
valdez 500

[quote]From Waterloo said: "This is a PRIME case of reverse racism! Badgering institutions and businesses is a prace that minorities have down to a science. The behaviors are engrained in to the youth from when they are little that entitlements should given along the way. Why does America have to be a welfare society? Waterloo is so full of bottom feeders who drain the system! Why would the lawsuit be advertised on KGGB radio, what about the rest of Waterloo's news media (radio stations)? I think the plan is for institutions and corporations to run scared and be badgered by stupid lawsuits. I bet the employee who sued had an interesting work history and was genuinely not suitable for the promotion? "[/quote]

You know what they say about assuming things, and what it makes you look like. I am black and I was raised you work hard for what you want out of life. It seems like there are a lot of people that are posting and questioning Robyn work ethic and behavior because she won this lawsuit, if you think she had a bad work profile that Allen would have stood their ground...I dont think it would have cost over 2 million to prove their case. Its ok we are not in the slavery days any more...its perfectly ok for African Americans to have money also.

bigmitch
bigmitch

[quote]timbrackett said: "???"[/quote]
They will NEVER learn.


bigmitch
bigmitch

[quote]B786alo said: "Remember....we are consumers and we have a choice. If a hospital is forced to hire a medical provider that they didn't feel was the best candidate at the time of the interview, is that who I want delivering medical care to my family? Probably not. I want medical providers that are dedicated to getting my family members back home, not medical providers that have a sense of entitlement about themselves. "[/quote]

Then you better hope Obama Care gets repealed!!!

reojoe
reojoe

Folks, have we already forgotten the lessons of Herman Libya Cain!? Did he NOT teach us that prejudice and discrimination is real by the media's entrapment and falsely exposing his sexueral exploits, ONLY BECAUSE he is black?

Friends, friends, let us NOT forget that this stuff is REAL!

From Waterloo
From Waterloo

valdez 500 said on: January 19, 2012, 3:58 pm
From Waterloo said: "This is a PRIME case of reverse racism! Badgering institutions and businesses is a prace that minorities have down to a science. The behaviors are engrained in to the youth from when they are little that entitlements should given along the way. Why does America have to be a welfare society? Waterloo is so full of bottom feeders who drain the system! Why would the lawsuit be advertised on KGGB radio, what about the rest of Waterloo's news media (radio stations)? I think the plan is for institutions and corporations to run scared and be badgered by stupid lawsuits. I bet the employee who sued had an interesting work history and was genuinely not suitable for the promotion? "

"You know what they say about assuming things, and what it makes you look like. I am black and I was raised you work hard for what you want out of life. It seems like there are a lot of people that are posting and questioning Robyn work ethic and behavior because she won this lawsuit, if you think she had a bad work profile that Allen would have stood their ground...I dont think it would have cost over 2 million to prove their case. Its ok we are not in the slavery days any more...its perfectly ok for African Americans to have money also."

I must appologise if I made an assumption with regard to an idividual that I have never met. Your asbolutely right, she could be the sweetest best person ever and a hard worker. I just couldn't imagine the hospital treating anyone so poorly if it wasn't deserved....thats the limb I climbed out on...." It is awesome that both you and I work hard for the money we earn, its a good feeling come payday. Sometimes it is easier to just pay a settlement that to fight for years in court using up valuable resources. I wish people would stand their ground (if needed in this case) and fight for the cause. I know a lot of African American friends who make a lot more money than I do and they are the best of friends that I cherish dearly. With the opportunity go make as much money as you can! We all deserve an equal chance to succeed!

class of 993
class of 993

Joe Your rantings about settlling = guilt do nothin but prove that you have no actual business sense. Since you are a teacher I am going to write you a basic story problem and maybe you will get it.

say you settle...implying no guilt for 100,000
say you dont settle and it goes to court and you end up paying 175,000 in court costs, attorney fees and all other expenses involved with the case. Which one makes more sense. A business minded organization pays the 100,000 and walks away with the oter 75,000 still in their pocket instead of costing the same money. Big difference between civl and criminal court joe.

Lets see how Joe turns this into some diatribe abour rush, regressives and the tea party. It is nothing more than business sense and we know joe is lacking that.

bigblklady
bigblklady

[quote]reojoe said: "Seriously?!We can't pump them out of our colleges fast enough to meet the need and demand. Keep in mind that our society is getting older, if that should serve as any clue to the need."[/quote]

I still disagree. There are a lot of nurses our there looking for jobs. I have applied at Allen countless times, and when I had my interview there were 16 other people I had to beat to the job! There are accelerated programs now that help pump them out of college faster. If there is such a shortage- why are not a lot of nurses working a bunch of overtime? I know some do by choice, they pick up other people's shifts or work doubles. But it is not that big of a shortage- to consider it a problem IN MY OPINION! Do you really think they need so many nurses in the doctors offices? No- what they do when you go in is the same thing a CNA could do at a cheaper cost!

bigblklady
bigblklady

Oh and Joe- it is called baby boomers. The baby boomers are starting to hit that age. I do understand the need for nurses are on the rise. But also understand there is a 3 year waiting list at Hawkeye to get into the nursing program! That is how many people are going for nursing!

class of 993
class of 993

bigblklady Dont wait on a response from joe today. since the schools are closed Joe wont have time to reply today. Has anyone else notice dthe only time he is trolling the internet is during work??

tangledweb
tangledweb

There goes Joe again, everything always goes back to the evil republicans. It's always politics with this guy. Are there racist in the republican party, yes. Does that make all republicans racist, no. Believe it or not, there are racist in the democratic party too, by your way of thinking that would make them all racist also. Until the day comes that we quit being hyphen Americans and just become Americans, racism will be nasty part of our society. We are not privy to the one thing that would tell us whether this lady was deserving of a promotion or not, her employee file. Without that we do not know if she excelled at her job or just showed up and sat on her backside all day. A laundry list of degrees does not make a good worker, there are plenty of people out there that are book smart that can't apply it in a work environment. Which type of worker she is we will really know and to argue about it is just wrong. I know one thing though, Allen won't eat this $2 million loss, it will be passed on to everyone that uses their services.

panther13
panther13

there is that familiar card again!! Does that thing ever get worn out?

panther13
panther13

Hey Joe fyi nursing is one of the most competitive fields to work in right now. To answer you question YES they literally can not pump them out of college fast enough. Not only is the competition heavy once you graduate and get onto the job market but it is also competitive while you earn you degree. I know people who have gone through nursing school and they worked their butts off doing CNA work and getting good grades in school (a-b) so they even have a shot at getting a job after graduation.

Rush
Rush

Joe Writes;

"Settlement = guilt"

Hmmmmmm........ Where to start.

Criminal cases deal with "guilt." Civil cases deal with "liability." You can't be found "guilty" in a civil case.

However, accepting a plea bargain in a criminal case does mean an admission of guilt.

If you've got anything else you need help understanding let me know. Hopefully we caught the yet another error before you shared it with your class.

BTW, One could make the case that an out of court settlement assumes that the person who received the settlement was not interested in justice and only out for the money.

Here's a website to help you understand the difference between Civil and Criminal Law. http://www.rbs2.com/cc.htm

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]Rush said: "Joe Writes;"Settlement = guilt" Hmmmmmm........ Where to start.Criminal cases deal with "guilt." Civil cases deal with "liability." You can't be found "guilty" in a civil case.However, accepting a plea bargain in a criminal case does mean an admission of guilt.If you've got anything else you need help understanding let me know. Hopefully we caught the yet another error before you shared it with your class. BTW, One could make the case that an out of court settlement assumes that the person who received the settlement was not interested in justice and only out for the money. Here's a website to help you understand the difference between Civil and Criminal Law. http://www.rbs2.com/cc.htm"[/quote]

Like it matters, or that I care.

Here's a definition that you may want to look up: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/petty

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

50/61 = 82%

reojoe
reojoe

For all of those of you who don't think that there is and is going to be a nursing shortage, you are aware that we have an aging population, correct? You are also aware that many of these aged persons will also be retiring nurses, correct?

Google "nursing shortage" and tell me what differs from what I've been saying.

My goodness people are ignorant.

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]class of 993 said: "bigblklady Dont wait on a response from joe today. since the schools are closed Joe wont have time to reply today. Has anyone else notice dthe only time he is trolling the internet is during work??"[/quote]

Wouldn't matter. I never work Fridays anyway.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]bigblklady said: "I still disagree. There are a lot of nurses our there looking for jobs. I have applied at Allen countless times, and when I had my interview there were 16 other people I had to beat to the job! There are accelerated programs now that help pump them out of college faster. If there is such a shortage- why are not a lot of nurses working a bunch of overtime? I know some do by choice, they pick up other people's shifts or work doubles. But it is not that big of a shortage- to consider it a problem IN MY OPINION! Do you really think they need so many nurses in the doctors offices? No- what they do when you go in is the same thing a CNA could do at a cheaper cost! "[/quote]

You're also only talking about one city in the U.S.

Check out google and tell me what you come up with.

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]class of 993 said: "Has anyone else notice dthe only time he is trolling the internet is during work??"[/quote]

Sounds like someone has too much free time on his hands.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

panther13
panther13

Just so everyone knows. Joe is never ever ever ever wrong. Thank you and have a great day.

I wouldn't argue with him about nursing for all we know he is in that bidness too.

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]panther13 said: "Just so everyone knows. Joe is never ever ever ever wrong. Thank you and have a great day.I wouldn't argue with him about nursing for all we know he is in that bidness too."[/quote]

Google search to prove me wrong must not have gone very well, eh, Newsletters?

I'm not in the nursing bidness, but I'm in the bidness of being intimately involved with nurses' edurcation.

panther13
panther13

[quote]reojoe said: "Google search to prove me wrong must not have gone very well, eh, Newsletters?I'm not in the nursing bidness, but I'm in the bidness of being intimately involved with nurses' edurcation."[/quote]

I gave you plenty of time to find that evidence to back up that hearsay you claim is as good as gold. So far you have proved nothing. Neither you or google has provided a shred of evidence that connects ron paul to those newsletters without a shadow of a doubt.

panther13
panther13

[quote]reojoe said: " I'm in the bidness of being intimately involved with nurses"[/quote]

very interesting. I hope you don't run a campaign because it's amazing what hearsay can do.


wujethro
wujethro

a settlement without admitting guilt happens when it's less expensive to settle than to go to court and win the case.

valdez 500
valdez 500

[quote]From Waterloo said: "valdez 500 said on: January 19, 2012, 3:58 pmFrom Waterloo said: "This is a PRIME case of reverse racism! Badgering institutions and businesses is a prace that minorities have down to a science. The behaviors are engrained in to the youth from when they are little that entitlements should given along the way. Why does America have to be a welfare society? Waterloo is so full of bottom feeders who drain the system! Why would the lawsuit be advertised on KGGB radio, what about the rest of Waterloo's news media (radio stations)? I think the plan is for institutions and corporations to run scared and be badgered by stupid lawsuits. I bet the employee who sued had an interesting work history and was genuinely not suitable for the promotion? ""You know what they say about assuming things, and what it makes you look like. I am black and I was raised you work hard for what you want out of life. It seems like there are a lot of people that are posting and questioning Robyn work ethic and behavior because she won this lawsuit, if you think she had a bad work profile that Allen would have stood their ground...I dont think it would have cost over 2 million to prove their case. Its ok we are not in the slavery days any more...its perfectly ok for African Americans to have money also."I must appologise if I made an assumption with regard to an idividual that I have never met. Your asbolutely right, she could be the sweetest best person ever and a hard worker. I just couldn't imagine the hospital treating anyone so poorly if it wasn't deserved....thats the limb I climbed out on...." It is awesome that both you and I work hard for the money we earn, its a good feeling come payday. Sometimes it is easier to just pay a settlement that to fight for years in court using up valuable resources. I wish people would stand their ground (if needed in this case) and fight for the cause. I know a lot of African American friends who make a lot more money than I do and they are the best of friends that I cherish dearly. With the opportunity go make as much money as you can! We all deserve an equal chance to succeed! "[/quote]


I have to agree with you!! I was also hoping that the hospital wasnt going to using these tactics when I first read about the lawsuit, but I guess time will tell because there will be more people coming forward, and i just hope they have valid claims and are not looking for a big pay day. I just got a bad feeling when I seen that they settled for future claims...that shows a little guilt to me but then I would be assuming..Lol

Iowafan33
Iowafan33

Maybe someone should question "work ethic"? What ever happened to hiring someone based on work skills and history of work references? When employers look at a resume its a piece of paper. No where does it say what color the person is. If they call the job references and ask the "would you hire this person again?" and the former employers say "no" I don' think I would hire them either. There may be a reason besides race that Allen didn't wanna hire her. They just settled out of court to avoid the confrontation with the community.

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]panther13 said: "I gave you plenty of time to find that evidence to back up that hearsay you claim is as good as gold. So far you have proved nothing. Neither you or google has provided a shred of evidence that connects ron paul to those newsletters without a shadow of a doubt."[/quote]

Then, you actually support a candidate for President who had his name on racist newsletters for 18 years and he can't tell you who wrote them?

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]panther13 said: "very interesting. I hope you don't run a campaign because it's amazing what hearsay can do."[/quote]

Wiretap News would be proud of how you provided partial context, Ron Newsletters.

TLD
TLD

OK- YES there is a "nursing shortage". There has been for years. There has also been high enrollement to nursing colleges. Allen added on to their program. Hawkeye Community College always seems to have a waiting list, and it is nearly impossible to get into the nursing program at the University of Iowa! BUT...that does not mean that the hospitals are hiring them all! They are not. Yes, continuously work "short handed". That is the way it is! Nurses are run ragged it seems no matter where you work because they keep it a high patient to nurse ratio, and I don't see it getting any better. More likely worse. It doesn't matter how much there is a need, the ratio is going to be most likely worse! Hospitals save money that way. That is just a business fact! And personally, I believe the Courier gives this Rejoe character way too much time on these blogs. He comments on just about everything, multiple times. He is obviously very opinionated, never listens to anyone else, and frankly is one of the rudest people on here...ALWAYS! Time to use some of those editing skills on him!

bigblklady
bigblklady

TLD- If they are working so short handed- why do they send them home on low census? I can agree that they need to fix their numbers for when to send people home. I worked at Covenant for 2 years, yes I worked "short-handed" a couple times, but ER came up and I had no choice. It was not out of bad scheduling or a shortage. Sometimes it does not matter if you are over staffed in a hospital you will still run ragged some days. Those are the joys of hospital life.
No they are not hiring them all out of school. They hire what they need. One open position means one person to hire. And most of the time there are 10-15 apps for that one spot.
Which is my point as to there not really being a shortage here. If they were that short they would be hiring the people who do not meet their expectations and this article would have never been printed.

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]TLD said: "And personally, I believe the Courier gives this Rejoe character way too much time on these blogs. He comments on just about everything, multiple times. He is obviously very opinionated, never listens to anyone else, and frankly is one of the rudest people on here...ALWAYS! Time to use some of those editing skills on him! "[/quote]

Translation: I'm very troubled by the free expression of ideas.

TLD
TLD

I am not saying that nurses work short handed all the time. When you work on the floors, that is sadly the way it goes. Censes goes up and down. The staff gets sent home or low censes, unless you work somewhere like the ER. I agree with you and have been working as a nurse for19 years. Completely agree with your comment that if they were that short, they wouldn't be so picky about who they hire. What I am saying though is this: when the hospital is full, there is not always enough staff to handle it all! They do not staff safely all the time. You can build bigger hospitals, new ER's, etc., but that does NOT mean they are going to hire more staff to take care of a larger patient load! Looks good to the public...My comment was more directed at Reojoe who stated that "we can't pump them out of colleges fast enough." Nursing shortage is big news on tv frequently. However, hospitals have to hire them. The penny comes first. Until there is better Medicare reimbursement in the state of Iowa, that is the way it will remain.

TLD
TLD

[quote]reojoe said: "Translation: I'm very troubled by the free expression of ideas."[/quote]

Translation: You think your opinion is the only one that matters!

reojoe
reojoe

[quote]TLD said: "Translation: You think your opinion is the only one that matters!"[/quote]

I don't state opinions; I'm a fact man and fervently stick to them.

That's why I'm always offering up bets to people to try to sucker them into them. No takers though. ;)

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