UPDATE: 'Junkyard Prophet' ministry group to return today for 'conversation'

2012-03-12T16:15:00Z 2012-07-25T09:02:34Z UPDATE: 'Junkyard Prophet' ministry group to return today for 'conversation'By DENNIS MAGEE, dennis.magee@wcfcourier.com Waterloo Cedar Falls Courier

DUNKERTON, Iowa --- The group out of Minnesota that stirred controversy Thursday will return for “a community conversation” at 7 p.m. today.

Representatives from Junkyard Prophet and the You Can Run But You Cannot Hide ministry will be at Faith Assembly of God, 5112 Lafayette Road, in Elk Run Heights.

Mary Jean Russell of Dunkerton and her husband, Wayde, are coordinating the group’s visit tonight.

The couple made the decision to help after meeting with representatives from Junkyard Prophet and reviewing “a majority” of the material shown to Dunkerton students, according to Mary Jean Russell.

The intent is not to inflict additional distress on the young people, she added.

"I care for those teens. I would love to hug them right now. This nothing vulgar or to hurt them more,” Russell said.

Bradlee Dean, founder of the group, and Jake McMillian previously said their organization would like to elaborate on its views. The men added local media, including The Courier, did not accurately portray what happened at Dunkerton High School.

Administrators and teachers, including Superintendent Jim Stanton, said no one disputes the young people seemed to enjoy the band's performance.

Students and faculty members, though, said the assembly turned into a diatribe against homosexuals during breakout sessions and featured images of aborted fetuses. Several parents reported their children were in tears. A few removed their kids from school for the remainder of Thursday and again on Friday.

D.J. Manahl, whose family was among those upset by the group's message, won't be able to attend the event.

"I'm pretty sure my wife's going to go," he said.

"For one I'm just glad it's not happening in Dunkerton," he added.

Russell said she and her husband have been "bombarded"by phone calls and text messages since word of the event got out at 11 a.m.

"Most have been good, a few of them against," she said.

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  1. Chris Vogel
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    Chris Vogel - March 14, 2012 1:06 pm
    So typical of religious conservatives: either you do what they say--no matter how ridiculous or malicious--or they try to destroy you. Still better than the old days; modern secular governments do not permit their traditional responses to difference: torture and mass murder. This is a great comfort for those of us they are trying to destroy. Shame about the children they damage, though.
  2. wendy leigh
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    wendy leigh - March 14, 2012 12:34 pm
    Here is their newfound Hate Group classification http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/anti-gay/active_hate_groups for continuously spreading KNOWN FALSEHOODS about gay people. Their accredation into the Hate-For-Pay industry is well deserved. Video evidence of the Dunkerton event proves that this group continues to use false and PEER REPUDITED lies against the gay community written over 30 years ago by Paul Cameron http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html
  3. reojoe
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    reojoe - March 13, 2012 8:45 pm
    How erbout this for a thought?

    Which of the two have made you think more about same sex marriage in the past few years? (1) The same sex couple down the street who live in a quiet home in a quiet neighborhood or (2) these weirdos, VanderPlaats, and the legions of republicans who support them?
  4. I Scream In The Sun
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    I Scream In The Sun - March 13, 2012 5:25 pm
    I find it absurd how the junkyard profits claim to disguise their hatred of homosexuals as "love". Because they believe that homosexuality is a bad thing to choose, then they feel that if they "love" the person, they owe it to them to convince them to not be a homosexual. I can see where a sociopath could string together their logic in that way to defend their actions. So now because of how much they "love" the person, they have to do everything to convert them away from their "sinful" ways. Oh I get it, so they're attacking the homosexuality, not the people "afflicted" by it. They're bullying and using hate speech against sins, not the people doing the sins. They "love" those people. Their hatred is just for the life these people live.

    Reminds me of other religions who mask hatred as love. There was a group of people once who loved everyone else so much, that they were willing to use their hatred and violence to "save" these other people by waging war against them. It's such a loving thing to do, to use violence and hatred to force your beliefs on other people, because in the end that's the only way to get them to switch to your religion (or, as the religion dictates, to kill the infidels who refuse) since in your view that is what's best for them. I can only imagine how much of this sort of "love" the leader of the Junkyard Prophets shares in common with the sort of "love" which was expressed by the terrorist acts of 9/11. Just using anger and hatred to attack those who refuse to conform to the ideals of your religion, that's all. Congrats, you are no better than terrorists. It is very unfortunate they were paid to teach our children.
  5. Hhstyles1985
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    Hhstyles1985 - March 13, 2012 3:49 pm
    Ah yes, liars for Christ. How very Christian.

    "This nothing vulgar or to hurt them more"
    Yes, because demonizing a group actually helps a group feel better. Tell gay kids that they're immoral* and disgusting for how they feel.
    *What the heck is biblical morality doing in school anyway?
    "We forgot our Constitution."
    Yes, we certainly have when Christian groups are allowed on campus to preach a Biblical based morality. Worse yet its tax payer funded. Why not invite the local Muslim Cleric over to tell teenage girls that if they show skin they are horrible women.
    "Along the way, he also described how homosexuals die, on average, at the age of 42."
    Oh, those statistics. You mean the ones collected, based on newspaper reports rather than a longitudinal survey, solely in the city of New York from the late 1980's to the early 1990's when HIV was relatively unknown and there were no effective treatments? In a city no less where there is more gay people, who have more sex compared to gays in small and medium sized cities. Wow! Why don't I just use states from the a civil war hospital to show how short the heterosexual life span is.

    "It’s just the facts...a legitimate and challenging presentation."
    The study about the life expectancy of gays has been debunked by the average college student. And has multiple citations stating that it is false. Yet, this Christian still uses it. So it not the "facts" OR
    it is not "legitimate".

    This guy is either a liar or incompetent.
  6. avee
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    avee - March 13, 2012 3:14 pm
    I agree the church group should not have been invited but; I wonder if this school teaches directly or indirectly that homosexuality is an acceptable, equivalent lifestyle.
    I wonder if the school is honest and teaches that homosexuality is about what people do with their body parts, not necessarily just loving couples of the same sex.

  7. DanCobb
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    DanCobb - March 13, 2012 11:11 am
    What is going on in the heartland?? Unbelievable. What a horrific message to send to high school students. And how devastating to gay high school students!! This rhetoric gives the students "all the reasons to hate 'the other'" without EXPRESSLY teaching hate. All under the phony pretense of "loving" the other and under the "auspices of Jesus". Lord! Jesus would vomit at this message! If this vile demagogue of a rocker really "loved" Elton John, he wouldn't revile him at every turn --the mockery and vicious edge to the presentation suggests contempt and hatred, not love. The aggressiveness of the presentation itself is bullyish. I guess when someone claims to be speaking for God, Iowans go limp with deference. Quite shocking!

  8. IowanAtheist
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    IowanAtheist - March 13, 2012 11:00 am
    Hsmith said: "Saw this in the pulp version and I thought their original article was horrible journalism. They interviewed a couple kids who were offended and only reported one side. The whole article was about the outrage, but over what?! Anyway, you have to leave the Courier to find that info, but there is video posted over at theblaze.com I can't believe those poor students had to take a break from the liberal sex education and sensitivity training and hear a different view point! Oh the horror. "

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jazqMOC_N3s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrV4VCx22g

    The videos from your own link. How is that appropriate for children? Those images are graphic, disgusting, and emotionally disturbing to adults, let alone children. This is not an issue of 'different' view points, it's an issue of inappropriately presenting those view points, and presenting illegal lessons to the children. Given the context, it very clearly shows that they are supposed to be taking this religious propaganda as facts
  9. reojoe
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    reojoe - March 13, 2012 10:56 am
    I Scream In The Sun said: "For extremists like this group, unfortunately even negative publicity is good for them. They just turn around and use it as fuel for their hate speech, to then prove how "the man" is trying to keep them quiet, or that they couldn't handle "the truth", etc. In their mind, if anyone is against their message or is upset by it, it must only be because the person is a sinner and doesn't like being "exposed to the truth of their sinful ways". Good old blame-the-victim mentality."

    Sounds like what I hear on AM radio, all day, everyday from those "vicitms" of a librul media conspiracy.

  10. reojoe
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    reojoe - March 13, 2012 10:52 am
    Welcome the most central wing of the Republican party to the Cedar Valley folks!

    When you support republicans, this is your baby, folks.
  11. Hsmith
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    Hsmith - March 13, 2012 10:09 am
    Saw this in the pulp version and I thought their original article was horrible journalism. They interviewed a couple kids who were offended and only reported one side. The whole article was about the outrage, but over what?! Anyway, you have to leave the Courier to find that info, but there is video posted over at theblaze.com
    I can't believe those poor students had to take a break from the liberal sex education and sensitivity training and hear a different view point! Oh the horror.
  12. IowanAtheist
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    IowanAtheist - March 13, 2012 9:39 am
    avee said: "UNIGrad99said If, as people have said, the group shouted people down------Thwe original story line quoted below did not specify who shouted some of the students down. When I read it I just assumed it was other students not the professional group????“Those who walked out or attempted to confront the speakers were shouted down or ridiculed as disrespectful, according to students”"

    That has been clarified in many locations. The Courier is *not* the only news source carrying this story.
  13. avee
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    avee - March 12, 2012 9:26 pm
    UNIGrad99said If, as people have said, the group shouted people down------Thwe original story line quoted below did not specify who shouted some of the students down. When I read it I just assumed it was other students not the professional group????
    “Those who walked out or attempted to confront the speakers were shouted down or ridiculed as disrespectful, according to students”
  14. I Scream In The Sun
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    I Scream In The Sun - March 12, 2012 7:04 pm
    For extremists like this group, unfortunately even negative publicity is good for them. They just turn around and use it as fuel for their hate speech, to then prove how "the man" is trying to keep them quiet, or that they couldn't handle "the truth", etc. In their mind, if anyone is against their message or is upset by it, it must only be because the person is a sinner and doesn't like being "exposed to the truth of their sinful ways". Good old blame-the-victim mentality.

    I just wonder though, if the Dunkerton schools needed a group to come in and talk about staying drug free and deliver an anti-bullying message, why did they have to pick a religious group to do this? Why was this religious group allowed to get students in classrooms for discussions without the safety of having any teachers present who could have put a stop to when these discussions took a turn for the worse? Nope, just children during the schoolday forced to be lectured by religious extremists in closed rooms without any school staff around to ensure things are kept appropriate for the school environment. Nope, you have your daughters being told how they need to learn their place as being subservient to a husband, that's what they learned in school today!
  15. liefs13
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    liefs13 - March 12, 2012 6:54 pm
    These people have had plenty of time to cut and edit the footage they got. I know that there was a female student who got footage of the women's group discussion and some of the things the "prophets" said.
  16. UNIGrad99
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    UNIGrad99 - March 12, 2012 6:45 pm
    DJMANAHL said: ""I care for those teens. I would love to hug them right now. This nothing vulgar or to hurt them more,” Russell said.Some of these childrem were only 12 years old not even close to being a teen. "

    Have tried to stay out of this, as I don't have a stake in what is decided in Dunkerton, but comments like this just make me wonder how rationally things are being thought of. Maybe it was just a poor choice of words, but Mr. Manahl, a 12 year old is just one year, at most from being a teen.

    Also, how many people who are complaining about them being shown aborted fetuses allow your children to watch an R rated movie? I know, one is real, and one isn't, but isn't that kind of the point?

    If, as people have said, the group shouted people down, I find that a poor showing on their part, but I would also wonder, were they shouting at those who were shouting at them? I don't know as that necessarily makes it right, but it also sheds a little more light on the subject.

    Hopefully something good comes out of this.
  17. DJMANAHL
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    DJMANAHL - March 12, 2012 4:30 pm
    "I care for those teens. I would love to hug them right now. This nothing vulgar or to hurt them more,” Russell said.

    Some of these childrem were only 12 years old not even close to being a teen.

  18. timbrackett
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    timbrackett - March 12, 2012 3:14 pm
    avee said: "Those that want to silence and demonize those that believe in morality, traditional family and healthy lifestyle should read--- Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas “Be Not Afraid” Talking about Race, Homosexuality, Family etc. One of the best speeches I have ever heard or read. Excerpt:------ “You had better not engage in serious debate or discussion unless you are willing to endure attacks that range from mere hostile bluster to libel”.----“ there is much wisdom that requires no genius. It takes no education and no great intellect to know that it is best for children to be raised in two parent families. Yet, those who dare say this are often accused of trying to impose their values on others. This condemnation does not rest on some great body of counterevidence; it is purely and simply an in-your-face response. It is, in short, intimidation. For brutes, the most effective tactic is to intimidate an opponent into the silence of self-censorship”.-"

    Oh man, I know what you are talking about. Everytime I remind conservatives who say our nation was built on the Christian faith that most of our founding fathers owned slaves and some of our founding fathers sexually assaulted slaves these conservatives do exactly what you and Justice Thomas are talking about! Thank you for sharing this insightful comment.
  19. timbrackett
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    timbrackett - March 12, 2012 3:11 pm
    [Let] your speech always [be] with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one. -- Colossians 4:6
  20. Kernel
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    Kernel - March 12, 2012 3:07 pm
    Avee, you're falling victim to the way of thinking that only a certain religious group has the market cornered on morality, health, and family.

    I understand you subscribe to a traditional way of thought, and that's fine, but honestly, these social issues should not be driven home by those with a religious agenda in a public-funded school.

    I understand that religion is a good thing for many people, and I do not wish to take it from them or otherwise disparage it. But I don't want to pay for my child, or the unsuspecting children of others, to be lectured about it, either, and it's unfair to target kids away from their family support structure with specific religious messages. I'm sure most people would not like a muslim ceremony for an assembly, just like many of us are outraged at a Christian concert and conversation time.
  21. IowanAtheist
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    IowanAtheist - March 12, 2012 2:26 pm
    avee said: "Those that want to silence and demonize those that believe in morality, traditional family and healthy lifestyle should read--- Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas “Be Not Afraid” Talking about Race, Homosexuality, Family etc. One of the best speeches I have ever heard or read. Excerpt:------ “You had better not engage in serious debate or discussion unless you are willing to endure attacks that range from mere hostile bluster to libel”.----“ there is much wisdom that requires no genius. It takes no education and no great intellect to know that it is best for children to be raised in two parent families. Yet, those who dare say this are often accused of trying to impose their values on others. This condemnation does not rest on some great body of counterevidence; it is purely and simply an in-your-face response. It is, in short, intimidation. For brutes, the most effective tactic is to intimidate an opponent into the silence of self-censorship”.-"

    No one is against having morals -- this is not an issue of morals -- it is an issue of the constitution, and violating the law. The only ones being attacked or demonized are those that disagree with the biblical version of morality -- and as this band was so kind as to show -- these types of christians can be very immoral. It's immoral to force your religion on others. It's immoral to treat these children so poorly, it's immoral to waste educational time and money on religious propaganda, it's immoral to violate the constitution, it's immoral to shout down the students that disagreed with this bigoted hate filled message.
  22. jd2004retiree
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    jd2004retiree - March 12, 2012 2:24 pm
    WOW..... I cannot believe this group is so persistent to spread more garbage! Ang now they involve a church and another town in Iowa in the controversy??
    People of Dunkerton need to FILL that 6:00 p.m. school meeting tomorrow whether or not they let you speak. Somehow I feel someone other than the administrators and school board will be heard???????
  23. DJMANAHL
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    DJMANAHL - March 12, 2012 1:34 pm
    Do the Russell's think that school faculty students and parents are liars? They will show what they want to show tonight and it won't be the truth.
  24. avee
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    avee - March 12, 2012 1:04 pm
    Those that want to silence and demonize those that believe in morality, traditional family and healthy lifestyle should read--- Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas “Be Not Afraid” Talking about Race, Homosexuality, Family etc. One of the best speeches I have ever heard or read. Excerpt:
    ------ “You had better not engage in serious debate or discussion unless you are willing to endure attacks that range from mere hostile bluster to libel”.----“ there is much wisdom that requires no genius. It takes no education and no great intellect to know that it is best for children to be raised in two parent families. Yet, those who dare say this are often accused of trying to impose their values on others. This condemnation does not rest on some great body of counterevidence; it is purely and simply an in-your-face response. It is, in short, intimidation. For brutes, the most effective tactic is to intimidate an opponent into the silence of self-censorship”.-
  25. IowanAtheist
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    IowanAtheist - March 12, 2012 1:02 pm
    cf1981 said: "they want to come back to spread more garbage and religious nonsense? no thanks!"

    They are welcome to hold a private event, and spout their bigotry and hate -- as long as they are not wasting tax money to fund it, or forcing children to participate, they can do what they want.
  26. IowanAtheist
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    IowanAtheist - March 12, 2012 12:50 pm
    Mobo56 said: "Wow, this woman is a piece of work. How dare she say she cares for those children that were hurt by this!"

    You are making a common mistake when talking with irrational Christians. She, like many, redefines words to suit her. Here is a quote from Junkyard Prophet's own website: The most non-politically correct Christian nu-metal band on the planet. It's not about being nice - it's about your soul!!"

    In her mind, damaging these students is a good thing, if she gives them an emotional complex that ends in them being a good little christian.
  27. Mobo56
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    Mobo56 - March 12, 2012 12:38 pm
    Wow, this woman is a piece of work. How dare she say she cares for those children that were hurt by this!
  28. IowanAtheist
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    IowanAtheist - March 12, 2012 11:45 am
    Either they *did* discuss these topics, (and a quick google search shows that this was very likely), and crossed they line -- or all the reports are false, which seems very unlikely. It really looks like the administrators dropped the ball, either through a failure to look into the group they were paying to come talk to students, or because they deliberately wanted to break the law. This group just needs to refund the money, the administrators need to accept their punishments, and we can all learn from this, and move on. It would be nice to see a group brought in to counteract the hate and misinformation spread by this group, though.
  29. cf1981
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    cf1981 - March 12, 2012 11:42 am
    they want to come back to spread more garbage and religious nonsense? no thanks!
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